EVE General Discussion

Go ahead and troll me while the game falls apart around us. At least I'm putting forward viable solutions instead of chatting ****.

Read my posts accurately. I eat all my PLEX.
You are letting your personal hurt feelings cloud your judgement.

Your "thought" here, is wrong.
Now think about what all else you might be wrong about ontop of that.
Go back and re-read my posts.
They support, and are supported by, the posts by others which you falsely claim to contradict them

You are approaching issues from an ideological basis, not a real and pragmatic one.
You are concerned with how things "should be" rather than as what they are.
Not inly does this skew your understanding of the realities of basic economics, it also skews your reading of what people are saying.

For example:
-You are overlooking that space-rich players PLEX their numerous accounts. Whether PLEX costs 700mill or 1.5bil makes very little difference to them. Even if increasing PLEX prices reduce acrivity among poor players, there is a whole market existing ontopnof them of players for whom the spacemoney needed to buy PLEX is no issue and whom can comfortably inflate the bubble into billions of isk beyond the poor players breaking point. Furthermore they likely already have their own sizeable PLEX stockpiles they can use, which further immunizes them against PLEX price increases.

-You are completely oblivious as to why PLEX prices are rising and seem to have no interest in understanding why. Instead, as a typical fault of ideologists, you try to instead just use the fact that the prices are rising (without caring why) as a means to justify your own ideological ends. You are notnlooking for a solution to restoring PLEX price stability. You are looking for an excuse to justify an external hard change onto the entire system that fits your ideological ends.

The ends do not justify the means. The means formulate and construct the ends.
This is something people who put ideology before pragmatism do not understand.
You dont build a structure from the top down, and you dont have a structure which performs its "ends" function before the means to achieve it have been set in place, pragmatically, so they fit and work.

Have you? Did you notice that nothing he said was connected to what you're arguing?

His post, like every one you try to dig up is still irrelevant to your position. They still don't support any part of your lack of argument. Finding more of them will not change this.

You have failed to prove that your suggestion will have anything even remotely resembling the consequences you imagine. You hav also failed to prove that not following your suggestion will have anything even remotely resembling the consequences you imagine for that path. In short, you have failed to demonstrate anything that supports your wish for cheaper PLEX — you have no argument.

Unless you start addressing the points everyone have brought up against the monumental gaps and flaws in your reasoning, you still won't have an argument — referencing more irrelevant posts will not change this. Address the points or just accept the unavoidable fact that you're wrong. Can you do this?

No you're not. Reducing CCPs income is not a viable solution to anything, and that's the only thing you have suggested. Hell, it's not even a solution — it's just you being cheap, and nothing CCP does can ever change that.

I was going to write something longer, but there is little point. Mostly because you are trolling.

You propose an idea, you concern troll 'for the poor plexing users' and you respond to criticisms of your idea with mocking and personal attacks just on the right side of the forum rules.

So, troll.

For everyone else, there is no reason to assume that increasing the supply of PLEX will cause any immediate change in the plex price, but many others have addressed this.

Yeah, I'm going to have to call troll too. It's gone way past being even a remotely sensible position.

No, just the stuff that makes no sense, the stuff that you can't explain, the stuff that you can't argue in favour of, and the stuff that you fail to provide supporting evidence for.

Unfortunately, that pretty much covers the stuff you're willing to actually provide. Well, that and strawman arguments or other fallacies, since you know that any attempt on your part at constructing an actual argument will fail, seeing as how you have none of the necessary components to make one.

No, only you. You see, the attitude I have is that you need to provide evidence to support your stance, as well as some kind of causal coherence. This is a good attitude to have since it leads to informed decisions. It also exposes uninformed and ignorant ideas… you know, yours. That's why you fail, every time.

No. None of them even come close to being relevant to your idea that CCP needs to reduce the retail price of PLEX. They don't even mention it, and you have consistently failed to offer any sane or sensible connection between what they say and what you want the conclusion to be.

No. We have just developed the attitude that until you actually provide a sane, coherent, consistent, evidence-supported argument, your posts are worthless spam. This is not a “bad attitude” — it's just an inevitable and logical conclusion.

Prove it.

Not only do I have the ability to read what you say — I also have the ability to analyse the chain of events you're envisioning and notice that you can't actually link it together in a coherent manner. That leaves a single sane and sensible reason for your request…

Prove it.

I don't see the workers' controlling the means of production, so how are you able to say this? Clearly it violates your stated principles.

It doesn't, the RL price of a PLEX is irrelevant once it enters the game, because it no longer has a RL fiscal value.

The only things that affects the isk price of a PLEX as an ingame item are how much you can get away with selling it for, and how much people are willing to pay for it. Any excess PLEX generated by a cheaper price soon get added to the stockpiles of the people of people who use them as an investment or collateral.

As Tippia says you are making an outlandish claim, it is up to you to provide proof of it. I'll make it easy for you; Amazon PLEX sales, which offer considerable reductions, and their effect, or lack of it, on the isk value of PLEX.

I can see where the cash price of PLEX going down could induce a few new cash buyers, and I believe the corollary is also true, that PLEX purchasing power going up means more new entrants selling a small number of or individual PLEX.

But, what's being glossed over by our Comrade is the fact that sustained lowering of the price point isn't something CCP can afford, else they'd already be doing it.