Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think Inquisitor was one.

My thoughts:

Tormentor: I don't fly them so I can't speak to their viability, but I can say no to your changes simply because you'd be giving a T1 ship two-and-a-half turret-based bonuses. If it's broken, fine, but propose something that doesn't so clearly violate T1 patterns.

Punisher: I have a hard time believing that the tankiest T1 frigate in the game is "widely considered the worst (combat) ship in the game", but again I haven't flown one for years so I can't comment on that. What I will say is "no" to your changes because T1 racial ships typically only have bonuses to two weapon types and Amarr ships already have bonuses to lases and drones. Yes, there are T1 Amarr missile boats, but they are typically drone boats first and have no missile bonuses.

"No combat ship in Eve should have less than 3 mids. Period." Please justify this instead of simply stating it as fact. Also, don't underestimate the power of a T2 frigate having 4 highs and 4 lows; what they lack in versatility they can often make up for in brute power. (Having said that, I think that all Assault Frigates could be made a bit easier to fit, but that's another topic entirely.)

Dragoon: I can understand where you're coming from regarding the hardpoints; it would be nice to be able to fit even a mostly full rack of weapons on one. But the Dragoon is primarily a drone/cap warfare platform, not a turret/missile platform. The hardpoints seem like an afterthought because they are a tertiary weapon system. I could see maybe doing 4/4 hardpoints, but certainly not 5/5.

Maller: See my thoughts on the Punisher. I'd also like to point out that a ship's ability to apply damage is directly influenced by it's durability. A more durable ship doing lower DPS can often do more damage than a higher DPS ship by benefit of applying their lower DPS longer. Amarr ships are excellent at long-term DPS, as opposed to, say, Gallente ships, which specialize in burst DPS.

Omen: See my thoughts on the Tormentor.

Arbitrator: I could see maybe giving the Arbitrator a touch more grid, but, unlike the Dragoon, the Arbitrator is primarily an EWar ship, not a combat ship, so it most certainly does not need additional hardpoints.

Prophecy: Gallente and Amarr have a long-standing philosophical difference when it comes to drones. Gallente ships have larger bandwidth at the expense of smaller drone bays and Amarr ships have larger drone bays at the expense of bandwidth (except for the Ishtar but don't get me started on that). This enables Gallente drone ships to do more DPS in the short run, but Amarr drone ships can stay on the field longer, which keeps in line with my earlier comment for the Maller. I think this difference adds a lot of variety, even if it does tend to favor Gallente for raw DPS. Again, I can't support this.

'Geddon: I am an avid 'Geddon user and fully believe that it's fitting stats are fine as-is. Yes, it can be really tight CPU-wise when fitting torps (and I do actually do that from time to time for shooting at Minmatar POSes), but this fitting difficulty helps offset the fact that you're flying a battleship that can fit a decent tank yet still spew out 1000+ DPS that is fully damage-type selectable. Almost all of my fits that use neuts and/or lasers are just as tight on powergrid as they are on CPU, so I see that is being relatively balanced.


I couldn't help but notice that the pilot you're posting with is only a little over a year old. I would like to point out that a lot of what your asking for can be achieved by getting all of your fitting and support skills to IV or ideally V. Yes, newbros certainly can and do fly T1 ships to good effect with poor skills, but if you want the kind of performance you're talking about (for the most part), all you need to do is better your fitting and support skills.

That would mean optimal bonus to get beams out to competitive ranges. Personally, four beams without damage bonus and a 10%/lvl to range is something I'd put newbros into. Though then it suddenly would also be a somewhat cool T1 slicer on valium.

+1

Saying that half of the T2 Amarr combat ships are missile-centric is a bit of a stretch. And I see where you're coming from, but I would only say that your point is an issue if T1 Amarr ships had zero missile hardpoitns. As it stands now, their T1 drone boats can use missiles to very good effect, so it's not as if Amarr pilots have zero exposure to them, they're just not forced on them like lasers are.


I understand, but you still haven't proven your point beyond an assertion. Yes, brawling with two mids can be tricky, but with four highs and four lows, you are usually doing gobs of DPS, have a solid tank, have a neut fit, or, sometimes, all three at once. Flexibility is nice, but so is raw power. If you want a third mid, fly one of the other ships available that has one. (Incidentally, if there were no 3-mid options available, I'd agree with you. But there are, so I can't.)


This is precisely what the Arbitrator is, and precisely what it's supposed to be. Compare all of the T1 EWar cruisers and compare them to their recon counterparts. You'll notice that the T1 ships specialize in one thing, whereas the T2 counterparts specialize in two (except for the Caldari recons, which effectively get double ECM bonuses). Why should the Arbitrator alone be granted a special fitting allowance so it can use both racial EWar styles?


I can with my skills, assuming I don't needlessly go T2 when Meta 4 is better (i.e. neuts, plates, tackle, etc.). Thanks for proving my point nicely.