Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This already exists you have a time limit on how quickly you can modify/cancel an order.

In fact, I even wonder about the market bot claim. The complaint usually goes like this:

"I modified an order, and then almost instantly another order was 0.01 ISK below mine!"

But there are two questions:

1. Where are you trading.
2. What are you trading.

If you are trading in Jita and trading in items that have a high volume--i.e. lots of sellers--then no ******* **** you might see somebody modify a market order pretty quick. This is what you would expect in a competitive market.

Let me clarify a few things here.

You got scintowned. I'm not trying to fight bots directly. If you have an accusation to make of me being a botter then file a support ticket, otherwise **** off. Trade will increase locally if transport to major hubs become harder. If anything the real life Jita would be in a lowsec pocket to allow JF to enter and exit - because that's how it logically would be. The market gets populated because of buy and sell orders, amongst other things including Jita's real physical location on the map. It used to be a CONCORD station, I'm sure you don't need the history lesson. If you don't understand what I mean about corps coughing up ships pro-bono I suspect you've never had a company car and phone before (and if so, cease trying to make a point about it, you simply don't understand). JF's provide speed. You got scintowned again. CCP are diversifying their product range in response to EVE being uninviting and obtuse. My suggestion is built on the same foundation as jump fatigue. If you can't see the parallel then that's too bad. I'm utterly and irrevocably correct about repetitive systems, your assertion holds the same weight as Kooshti's. The market as you put it becomes predictable once known, and this is part of breaking up the density of a single areas ability to dominate the economy of the game. Having to actually phone-in for data on where to ship and sell your goods (something I'd wager you have no interest in) is my goal.

Slowing the system down? That's funny.. I was led ot believe bots were a problem because they did things inhumanly fast. Get your story straight please.

Then why don't you do it already? I reckon if CFC would stop service Jita, and instead establish their own hub and build their own things in their space, a lot of stuff would already change. Yet, it's too inconvenient for you. You still flock to Jita even after years of condemning High sec and the power the Big 4 hubs hold on the market. If even you cannot let go of Jita and Amarr, how do you think other, less resourceful entities are supposed to? Inhumane mechanics in place or not.

It appears to me that your goal is not really shared among many people.

We are talking about market, not about income. (Judging by the sheer number of NPC kills in some areas, I do not believe that rhetoric in any case. I and a lot of people I know and deal with can support ourselves in Null sec just fine.)

I do not get behind these ideas for a simple reason: CFC are not interested in increasing the value of their space for their space. They are only interested in increasing the value of space for exports to Jita. No Null sec entity is interested in living in their space, as it would mean to cope with a lot of inconvenient aspects. (AFK ratting and sitting in stations is not living in Null sec.) As long as players are only interested in having Null sec be more important to export to Jita, no changes to the game by CCP will achieve what you proclaim you want.

I do not trade in Jita, I trade in Amarr for exactly that reason. As of late, Jita isn't even a viable source of affordable items anymore as other hubs are cheaper. Besides that, I also supply my alliance in Null sec and do some Low sec trading. vOv
How your fatigue is going to change or improve the original bot problem, is also kind of beyond me. A bot can exploit the fatigue a lot better than a player. It can react immediately once the fatigue falls below a specified value and update orders again. A player has to meticulously watch the fatigue and check several times, probably even miss the best spots. I do not see how your fatigue is, first of, an improvement over the current 5 minute cycle, and secondly, going to remove curb in the market.

Unrelated: Teams were not DOA. I used them extensively. It was CCP's ridiculous expectations that made them die. They worked marvelously for me. vOv Certainly, they required some planning and calculating, which apparently is too much to ask from players these days.

A market and income are directly related. Come on man, seriously? Boutique clothing stores don't open in low income areas. The same comparison can be said for deep null. If people are spending their money in Jita why open shop in Solitude? Yes you can encourage local purchasing from said places and I've successfully managed to achieve that to some small degree but there are typically two hurdles:

the security of transport - as facilitated by jump freighters, cyno mechanics and jump bridges.
The local inhabitants - if speaking about lowsec we're talking about people so starved for activity that they kill everything in their proximity which in turn makes their space regarded as 'too dangerous' to live in. This topic in and of itself could underpin an entire study of the human psyche.

Perhaps your flavour of nullsec is different to mine, living in Tenal means either waiting for stuff to come in from the outside or manufacturing it yourself. Take another thing in to consideration also - the demand for readily accessible faction ammo. I'm not going to elucidate on my point here, I want to see if you know what I do. It's related to the whole 'living in null space' thing. It's related to the idea of increasing the number of anoms in null.

What we're looking at here is people with cargo tankers driving their ships upriver. There are no ports. We are like living in a cluster of islands, an archipelago of systems. I would rather see it become more like a continent. Huge freight volumes arrive at the borders, drop off and move their cargo via smaller vessels to the centre. Those who cannot wait or are unwilling to travel long distances will gravitate to the edges just like we see in real life. We hold that nullsec is mostly empty, when really it should be highsec that is mostly empty because it is quite literally too far for individuals to go unless they're part of a dedicated logistics arrangement and that there is something really critical to obtain there. Highsec can still serve as a central location for say; getting angel dedspace gear directly to branch. It comes with its own series of logistical hurdles but the cargo becomes harder to intercept in a certain manner of speaking because of the associated risks of highsec on gankers. If highsec were a large continent, lowsec being the islands off its coast and nullsec more like the pacific and atlantic oceans. It's an entirely new vision for EVE and one that should bring value to more people than it robs (namely 5 year old characters that sit an alt in station and click numbers all day).

Everyone is staring so hard at bots and thinks that they're the problem. Bots are *a* problem in this multifaceted complex we have. An arse-about-face system.

oh yeah p.s. teams were DOA, they were just manipulated as a tool for the already rich and powerful manufacturers who do only that and served mostly to marginalise new players who didn't grasp the mechanics even further. Maybe teams should have stayed as nullsec and lowsec things but CCP ripped them out completely after realising who was getting the most benefit. What's that favourite Malcanis quote everyone knows? Something something tools to help newbies invariably helps vets more? I'm not advocating a new tool, I'm advocating burning an established and broken methodology we currently employ and changing it to something that can't be controlled by 16 people.

no.

words cannot describe how much i'd like a series of unfortunate events to happen to you for the mere suggestion of this idea.

May i suggest a possible solution that may also help minor tradehubs? (as captchas are bad. just read about them on wiki/etc)
If so, please read the "random draw buy process".
- keep everything from setting up an order to paying taxes the same.
- But, when a player buys an item from a sell order, ..
- - check the price.
- - gather all sellorders within a margin of X% (let it be 1%) of the regional itemprice.
- - make a tombola where every toBeSold item is a ticket. (10item sell order means 10 tickets)
- - draw.
- - the player buys from the sell order he has drawn. not just form the lowest one.
- similar with buyorders.
- so what does it do?
- - 1 isk game is dead.
- - instead we will have a 1% game. But that actually effects the price (therefor profitloss for bots) and can only be played infinite.
- - huge sellorders get more tickets. sell more => sell more.
- - less work to readjust prices ==> ppl actually selling things somewhere else, not just tradehubs, as a part time job.
- - sorry elinor.


optional additions:
- make orders only visible/accessible to players that have docking rights (or set it seperate/individually on the newstations).
- let every sellorder only have 1ticket instead of size. Therefore you incentivice spamming of orders but they are limited. But its more work. ------ I strongly encourage against this method.

Have fun with this virus in your head for a while. :P