Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They could also just change the way the market interface works so that you can see who owns the sell order or buy order before the transaction. Then give players the choice to purchase or sell to a particular order - rather than automatically buying the lowest or selling to the highest.

Additionally, give players the option to rank orders by standing, corp members, alliance members, etc.

Then I could decide whether I want to purchase my new ammo from JitaAutoBotTrader1337 for 1230.99 ISK or Rivr Luzade for 1231 ISK.

Not a good idea, giving players the ability to choose who they wish to buy from on the general market.

It shouldn't matter anyway if you're just out to get the goods.

does mining have fatigue? would it be a good idea to add that fatigue to mission running, mining and pvp? no so what makes you think it should be in trading? it does nothing but force people to have masses of orders to keep them occupied or dont bother, good luck for the guys who just start up in trading with minimal isk and only trading a few items, its not elitest whatsoever its thinking about smaller players which you clearly are not

@ kooshti That post is so dumb im going to have to go out, drink some beer and eat something deep fried to be able to understand what the hell you just said.

But for now: mining and mission running have ceilings to their income. There is a real upper limit to how much money you can make from those activities. Also your plea for sympathy is just....... pathetic.

I shall return.

There'd have to be a problem...to need a fix tbh.


Market spammers will beat out the once in a while traders. accept and move on really. Why I put deep isk cuts into final sales before I went to bed when I made stuff to sell. Would I be 1 isk warred several times while I slept? Does the pope crap in the woods? So put a predicted isk war cut (call it preemptive .01 isk war if you''d like lol) and let it ride.

This is hindering real players more than helping. The only way to make this palatable is that captcha grants x minutes to hours of not needing to do it repeatedly.

Botter will still bot....after they crack the method. Captcha always has a backout. As well....some of them seem to be so "secure" not many humans can even read them.

Some of the worst ones I have seen I truly feel bad for people with varying colorblindness levels.....I can't read the damn things not being color blind so they must go through hell really. They mix in different colors, orientations, cases....and I just go wtf is this ****.


I have seen captcha butcher basic english letters to where its unreadable. Which is funny...during my time in Japan I have picked up their 3 writing styles to varying levels. When a captcha can butcher English characters to the point Kanji is more readable to me....its got issues. As my Kanji reading skills suck to be honest.


enter ye old reroll option to get one you can read or the audio option. Which is probably a few of the ways botters overcome them.

I think CAPTCHA is a great idea. You should even have it for undocking. In fact, do one better...make it a skill-testing question!

How many players name their bot characters with the word "bot"? Also how hard would it be to just modify that bot to alter orders in whole isk increments? Also why are we assuming humans never -.01 isk each other? I know I have.

In terms of EVE skills SP grants you the ability to buy, sell and modify orders across an entire region. Creating contracts AFAIK have no range limit so you could conceivably sit in a system on the edge of two different regions and quite literally monopolise both via a combination of all the things I just mentioned. Shipping back to Jita is a tawdry affair but at least it puts things in space where they can actually die. Jita is like a massive warehouse where the stickers of ownership on items gets changed but nothing actually moves. Without movement of items you're looking at an enclosed system which subject to other laws suffers entropy and it should surprise absolutely noone that risk-free trading like Jita or amarr would eventually be automated as the need for setting up couriers and the like for actually moving goods between low and high trade areas is shut out.



Real life analogues provide context. We also know real life works, meanwhile people constantly complain about not being able to make enough money. We in our ivory towers scoff at such assertions and provide myriad examples of how to do it but noone ever seems to mention having a corp provide everything you need pro-bono. As if 'not enough ISK grinding' was a thing, pfeh. I'm not talking about bots, I'm talking about a system being gamed by bots and the so-called bot aspirants who mimic their behaviour. I'm talking about the system which facilitates their existance by being so insular. Creating the need for asset movement particularly through designs such as banning JF from highsec introduces risk. It introduces a credible need to decentralise our markets from 3 singular systems.



How much can change in 11 years? Just look at incarna for a view on how flexible company policy can be - with CCP alone. We're not even talking about the blatant exploitation that Blizzard, Venimax Online and others have pulled across history. Try not to stare to hard at your navel mate, you'll burn a hole in it.



Bots were introduced due to weak gameplay systems that were highly predictable and repetitive. That's why bots were made. That degree of automation will always be desirable for someone who recognises a need for efficiency and flattening their income gradient.

SP enhances certain market activities, ok. What does that have to do with overcoming bots? Also how did you shift from time limitation to market location being the source of the issue? You seem to have confused a concentration of trade for a concentration of most of the games activity as well. Otherwise you could never reasonably conclude market concentration means nothing is moving. Every player that buys thing in Jita has to relocate them to their respective areas of operation.

And to top it off you provide more bot apologist logic based on the flawed premise that nothing needs to move.

Also you need to qualify why having corps provide things is either necessary or relevant. Many have done without either. The only corps I've been in on any of my characters weren't good about providing assets either, some resulting in some nice losses instead. But what's rather confusing is the notion of the system being insular despite being pretty integral to all the grinders you deny. That market gets populated somehow, and I can assure you it's not the result of the traders and bots that never undock from Jita. How do you suggests restriction of an asset movement tool leads to greater asset movement? Especially when JF's move things through highsec less efficiently than their T1 counterparts?


Ok, but the statement made the assumption your conclusion about exploiting new players was correct, even if poorly reasoned, so if I'm navel gazing with that speculation we both are. Either way you haven't even attempted to answer the core question of how your solution helps anyone in any way: now, old, producer or trader. I'm beginning to suspect you don't have an answer as every retort seems to just try to further obfuscate the broken logic behind a poor suggestion.

And yes, you are partially correct in your notion about repetitive systems, but those systems were created with predictable results for human benefit. There isn't a good basic market system with unpredictable results once you see what is for sale, thus there isn't a human functional market that is also bot proof or bot discouraging (to a degree this can probably be said for any system). That doesn't make them weak though, and your suggestion doesn't change the aspects you assert as being flawed. It just slows the entire system down.

Or maybe you can just stop posting.