EVE General Discussion

That is fine, and that can be your opinion. But don't make the same mistake as Jenn and compare something to the very worst around and say, "well at least we aren't that bad so we are great"

The community here sucks, might not be the most vitriolic or hate filled, but the mentality of the players towards other players is far more passive aggressive and destructive than most would admit. It doesn't bode well for community inclusion.

Also, most people like building sandcastles.
A lot of people like knocking down sandcastles.
Some people will never rebuild a sandcastle that was knocked down.
Most people won't rebuild a sandcastle that was knocked down and still has the person who knocked it down hovering over their play area.

That is Eve. This is the consequence.

You are seriously so single minded to think that posting on the forum is the only gauge for community quality? The game community promotes Ganking, Awoxing, theft, scamming, Hyperdunking, Python cheating, exploit hunting, lying, RMT (yes plex is RMT), and a whole host of terrible activities in the context of community inclusion.

We praise the guy who infiltrates and steals all, the guy who disbands an alliance to win a war, the guy who finds a way to bowl a cap ship out of a pos to get easy kills. How do you protect a sandcastle that everyone and anyone is trained and experienced at knocking down and gloating about it?

PS. I know you dont know me, I am one of those guys who knocks down sandcastles. I stalk my prey and kill it, often tracking them for future kills. I am the ultimate hypocrite in this regard. But that doesn't change the reality of what this game is. A sandbox for bullies.

I think it is funny that people deny or pretend to not care that the ones being bullied are finally leaving.

I post no such thing, I've also never posted that EVE is perfect. It's just perfect for me. The only thing I post about needing fixed is income generation disparities, and that isn't even all that major, it's a video game.

I highlighted your problem though, I know it is, because I used to suffer from it. You feel entitled to a game.

I've been a Battletech fan since I was 12 (29 years now). 15 years ago FASA Interactive (owed by Microsoft) launched Mechwarrior Vengeance (Mech 4). Being a serious mechhead and jonesing for a new experience (Mechwarrior 3 was old by then), I started playing. I liked it at 1st but eventually came to dislike it's departures from Battletech. In addition, being an 'action game' rather than a 'mechsim' (FASAi's own words) it attracted a community that didn't know about or even like Battletech but did like FPS games and the 'idea of mechs. I argued with them online for the 3 years I played MW4.

3 years. I didn't like the game and I sure as hell didn't like it's twitch gamer anti-Battletech community it spawned. But play it I did, hating myself every night, even bought 3 expansion packs. I made the excuse that "it's the only mech game going". I became bitter at FASAi's "betrayal".

Then i grew the F up, because it was a video game and no one owed me a video game. I came to know that I wasted 3 years when what I should have been doing was enjoying life and finding something else to do. That something else eventually came to be EVE Online (introduced to me by a Mech4 bro) and a few other games and activities. Hell, in the same period I ditched a toxic relation ship and eventually remarried, it's GREAT now.

So I've been where you are, disliking something but sticking to it because "there is nothing else". One day, if you are lucky, you will grow out of that as I did, realize that life is too short to PAY to be disappointed, and F off to something you can actually dig, like I did.

If you post something you know isn't true but you say it with enough vigor you get to change the narrative. It is the Fox News style of argument.

Nevermind that I am a griefing war dec player, or that I also run an alt corp in a WH (screw ccp for the last patch). Nevermind anything I posted above because you just changed the narrative.

I never said YOU said there wasn't an alternative, I said YOU said the game was GREAT. I am the one saying it isn't great, it is simply without alternative. There is a difference.

You are losing your touch Jenn. Admittedly you used to be much better at this.

Also your friend above there completely missed the point about the community and proceeded to go off the deep end in a tirade.

I think we're straying from the point that this whole thing is about building and knocking down sandcastles. Even a highsec sperglord knows this.


If you entered such a beach where that was the objective, it would be accepted by all those who were present.

But the "sandbox" is being made by the community to be less about sandcastles and more about hitting kids with the pail and shovel and then pointing and laughing.

But this is not simply an Eve issue. I'm seeing this across the board, from workplaces to the way entire countries are run. The game is simply a mirror of the kind of people we have to deal with in RL. When you can see that, why go out of your way for more of it on your spare time when you can get a chance to be alone or surround yourself with people who are not irritants?

Thus bittervets, tending to be older than noobs, and wiser about RL, are probably not being driven out by the game or the community in it for what it is, but rather, in spite of piles of ISK and skills, are simply getting a "why bother?" feel for it. And in the end the sandcastles are not going to pay the rent.

Dude ... snort some baking soda! You are way beyond bitter.

Please show me the polls which proves this statement.

which can also easily be said about you. Oh wait! You don't have ideas!

That's not a poll that proves your statement.

spin that? easy.

all that shows is that there are less people logging in.

*looks outside* yea its stunning outside, if i was not at work i'd be at the beach. And i'm an eve addict.

People love to use eve-offline as some 'see eve is dying' but the ONLY thing eve-offline shows is how many players are currently logged in. It does;t show the number of people not logged in but still paying for the game. It doens;t show opinion. It does;t prove anything except fewer people are playing eve at this present moment. Any OTHER reason you try to devise form the graph is pure speculation at best.