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The business case for removing the NeX
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Ai Shun
#161 - 2012-03-05 08:31:50 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Our subscription money payed the artist / developer in question to enable this "vanity" feature. It took time that could have been spent on stuff that would actually come with the client we pay a subscription for.


I can see that statement being true if the entirety of our subscription went into the operation of CCP as a business and if all employees at CCP were required to work on EVE Online's FiS components full time.

However, reality is that it probably does not and that they do not. A portion of our subscription fees goes to keep the current game going, feeding further development on EVE / FiS features and paying the staff. A portion of it is profit; which a sensible company would plough back into the business. This can be done by hiring additional staff to work on additional content. It could be done by the company accepting new staff by taking that risk on themselves and risking a bit of their profit.

I don't see a problem with the NeX store being there. It is there. Time and money will need to be spent on removing it and as CCP has Team Avatar dedicated to WiS; I don't see removing what may be a compelling feature for the market segment that wants to play dress up dolls as being valuable to CCP as a business.

I'm happy for them to take part of my subscription and to take a punt on developing content for the EVE Universe. I don't mind if they spend a part of that on vanity features I don't like. After all, they built Incursions and I don't like those. They worked on Supercapitals and aspects of null-sec I don't care for.

I pay a subscription for access to the game. What CCP does with that money is their business. Once they stop making a game I enjoy; I'll stop giving them money. That simple.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#162 - 2012-03-05 12:51:00 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Jack Traynor wrote:
And if CCP compared the list of credit devices & accounts subscribed against those of the failquitters, wanna bet what that delta would yield?

I'd just about guarantee those failquitters really WERE fail-quitters, as in they still play.

CCP makes money on the NeX crap, and it's not going anywhere. They will find new ways to make real money, and will exploit it. It's the way the business model works.


So you don't believe that a large number of eve players unsubbed over the NeXCarna fiasco then?

And you believe that CCP do actually make money on NeX taking into consideration accounts dropped citing NeX MT in a subscription game as a reason?

Hmmm,

Let me tell you about business "models".

Business models that work involve selling something to a customer base that the customers in question want. Prior to NeXCarna we had some exhaustive crowd-sourced polls that showed quite convincingly that the Eve player base did not want MTbased content behind $ payalls in this subscription based MMO.

The "industry experts" (at that time) refused to listen.

The unsub crisis was the result.


^^This.

Just as an aside, If there is any justice in this wretched world, then that "BizDev" joke was/were among the first of "the 20%," too.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#163 - 2012-03-05 13:03:29 UTC
Stella SGP wrote:
Covert Kitty wrote:
I don't want to get rid of the items that currently NeX is supplying, nor the idea of WiS, or better character customization. I like the idea of all these things. However they should be obtained from gameplay, and like any other item in the game, anyone given enough isk could buy it from other players on the market. It's the NeX itself that I want gone, replaced by gameplay for those items / features.

Erm this is already the case, grind isk, buy plex, covert aurums.


CCP Zinfandel? Is that you?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#164 - 2012-03-05 13:31:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Psychophantic wrote:
Leave nex store alone.

WiS is scrapped and no more clothes are being developed.

But thats just not enough.


You make the classic (OK, neo-classic, given how relatively new it is) perceptual error of conflating WiS with NEx.

One does not imply the other, they are not the same things, or even intrinsically related in the smallest way.

The problem is, that due to CCPs indescribable incompetence/ineptness in introducing them together, people--as you do--now see that they are inter-related.

Result: You say WiS is dead = NEx is dead, when neither is true.

But this blind-spot...I fear mightily that they will use that against you/us:

One day, they may well say "Sorry guys, we can't do WiS because of (insert 100% self-inflicted crisis + bullshit cop-out excuse for same here)," and all us credulous little marks, happily wanting to see the death of NEx along with it--as, per our perception, they are "supposed to be" together, will not see them sneaking in pay-to-win in other, more subtle ways, having learnt from the mistakes of summer 2011.

That is my greatest fear for this loltastically bad game I so love.

You mark me, they will play you/us again, and this...aaaahhh..."controlled perceptual blind-spot" is one of the things they will use to help them do so.

WiS itself should not be abandoned, but WiS with NEx must be, and there must be tangible, out-of-CCP-sourced proof that it has happened, followed by constant hyper-vigilance on our part. "The price of freedom..." as someone once said. That is supposed to be one of the jobs of the CSM, but I don't trust those ******* pathetic boot-licking shills (with certain exceptions, namely Darius III and TwoStep) anymore than I do CCP.

It's all or nothing now, and it's 100% CCP's own dumb-ass fault, bacause WiS, as it should have been, implemented correctly, could have been absolutely awesome.

Just so we're clear, I am convinced that if CCP had really done the NEx right--And I mean "right" as the so-called "BizDevs" saw it, not us, nor yet those repellent little RMT-shills on the CSM!--in and of itself, then I guaran-*******-tee you, we'd all be pitifully, eagerly, and repeatedly breaking out the CC for gold ammo, right now, and will have been doing it since 21/06/11.

So hey, Mother of All Gods be thanked for kak-handed incompetence fed by boundless, short-sighted arrogance!

Ugh...Damned one way, screwed the other.

::CCP::RollRollRollRoll

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E: Sleep-deprived typing- and clarity-fail.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.