Ships & Modules

PVE Legion suffers quite a bit from it's resist profile in my opinion. It is excellent at tanking Angels, the one rat type you really don't want to shoot lasers at. The natural prey of a Legion are Bloods and Sansha, but thanks to its thermal hole it is not that good at tanking them. Being a turret ship it is also badly affected by tracking disruption. Guess which rats use TDs? Bloods and Sansha of course.

Now look at the Tengu and how it is performing against it's natural enemy, the Guristas, in terms of tank, gank and Ewar mitigation. No wonder people are disappointed.

Still, I am happy with the legion. I have only one wish, +50 bandwidth and +15m3 bay on one of the engineering sub systems like the Proteus has. Hell, I would be happy with just the bandwidth, would make the drone sys so much better and actually worth using. Right now it's just a very expensive Pilgrim.

Glad some (a lot?) of people think the legion is lacking in general and compared to other t3s.





I bet you are fitting 2 adaptives. Unfortunately you need to bite the bullet and fit 1 adaptive 1 em specific 1 therm specific. Much better balance of resists at the cost of another low slot (already a premium I know )

Edit: just my favorite quotes from the undestanding T3 pdf on the legion.

This is no different than with the other Tech III's, max out powergrid and you can fit a great buffer. Of course the tengu and shield loki suffer with no slaves but they do get a decent passive regen instead. After that the legion isn't on par with a buffer proteus or loki.

At no time did i suggest Legion has a buffer tanking problem, instead it is the near worthless covert sub, drone sub and constant chances to lose low slots.

Also, let me reiterate that the engineering subs make you choose between a 7th low and 6th turret. unlike the loki and proteus.

Try fitting that buffer with the laser sub....... power grid and dps issues will be a major issue.

only if you give the proteus 50m3 base as well.

Small drone by on the Legion would help it a lot at the moment. +25mb bandwidth on all the offensive subs would be fantastic. Would also give the drone subsystem a slightly more helpful total bandwidth as it's a joke at the moment.

I'd have no problems with the Proteus getting the same benefit too, bringing it to potentially 125mb with a full drone setup iirc.

Cloaky subsystem needs a complete overhaul! Swap the cap bonus for damage/rate of fire!

Cap bonus is useful, but damage/rate of fire is MORE useful! 25mb of drones is a must especially in covert version.

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+1 to legion having too many mids and too few lows in most configurations. Also +1 to the lackluster offensive subsystems. It does half the dps of a proteus with the same basic fitting.

My thoughts on the covert subystem is they should probably give it 50 bandwidth, 150m3 of space and a 10% bonus to drone damage and HP per level bonus. This would allow for a pilgrim style setup with a couple guns in support (no doubt AC's since they'd be unbonused).

The laser offensive subsystem needs a 50m3 drone bay with 50 bandwidth. Both the proteus and loki have this same basic subsystem setup of 2 turret bonuses + a flight of 5x medium drones. The legion should certainly have it too. Yes it technically has one more bonus than those since it has the cap usage bonus but FFS that isn't a bonus. Just delete that bullshit. The HAM subsystem also needs a flight of 5x medium drones or a double dps bonus (5% RoF, 5% damage). Either option is reasonable.

The drone subsystem is just bad but it's also bad on the proteus. So I guess that makes it balanced. Seriously though, give both those ships an ishtar style drone bonus subsystem with the ability to fly a full set of heavies with loads of room for spares.

As for resistances, the legion is rock solid. t2/t3 amarr have the best armor resistance profile of any ship. This is simply beyond question. Not sure what some of you guys are smoking. Next I'll hear about minmatar t2/t3 having bad shield resistances.

Agreed on all points. I doubt a drone bay would find its way onto the laser subsystem though if CCP actually fixed the legion.

I call shenanigans. You're looking at a 32k-ish optimal with scorch. Unless you're talking about some hilarious, shield tanked, tracking enhancer, metastasis adjuster fail fit.

EDIT: Look - is the Legion competitive? Certainly. I use one all the time. I love it. I think it gets a bad rap. But I do think it does fall a little short of the other T3s.

The Proteus has outrageous damage and drones with an incredible tank and absurd scram range. The Loki's range and damage is comparable to the Legion's, but has an amazing web range bonus that allows it to dictate engagements like no other.

The Legion has a decent buffer with mediocre damage. If it could realistically use it's e-war sub system and still get full damage (like the Loki and Proteus), or if it had a buffer like the Proteus, or if it had a small default drone bay, I would say it would be perfectly balanced.

Not to mention, chassis opt loses LESS THAN 5% max speed even with a faction AB fitted...and gives you a much better base speed. I never fit fuel catalyst.