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I have a question For people that say they will never go to Null or lowsec
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Myrdraeus Keaunt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-12-08 17:48:19 UTC
Captain Alcatraz wrote:
Because some people would never leave the cave given the chance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave


Ugh. That allegory is one of the worst justifications of woo ever. It forms the basis of every tyranny known to man. "Force them out, they'll thank us later." It's too bad that of all the great Greek philosophers, Plato is the most remembered.
Hecatonis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2011-12-08 17:48:48 UTC
first off the wording of your post can easily be taken as offensive, you will probably will get a lot of troll/bail posts
Mirima Thurander wrote:


Why is it you play EvE if you take no part in the game, (this is not a Y U NO PVP question) you gather large sums of isk but in turn do nothing with it most people have a goal while getting isk be it a new mission ship, a titan or SC, help funding a corp project, funding for playing the markets.

Is there something you do with this isk?

i do leave high sec on a a regular basis, but i can still answer your questions

we do play the game, its a sandbox therefore there is no wrong way to play it. personally one of the most enjoyable things i do in eve is to buy a new ship fit it and fly it around and do nothing with it at all. this activity is not cheep in the slightest, in fact owning almost every sub capital, and a handful of capital ships in the game takes a lot of money. adding on the fact that i have pvp and pve fits for each one makes it that much more costly.

i make a lot of isk in game, but i only have 500 mil right now, i dont hoard it all, i spend it.

eve to me is about spaceships and space, therefore that is the game i play. and believe me, i have seen a lot of space and been in a lot of spaceships.

[quote[
This question was spawned from reading a thread about removing incursions from high sec* and seeing the large amounts of people saying they will never go to lowsec or null for any reason, but don't do any thing in high sec besides farm isks.


* ( i still view the best change for high sec incursions as a reduction in raw isk pay outs and a increase in the LP pay out)[/quote]

your view on highsec players is a lot like many highsec players view on low/nul sec players. it stems of ignorance on the subject. highsec people are not all carebears, or people that cant "cut it in the real game" there are many of us that just enjoy what eve is about and dont want to deal or put up with the game nulsec players have made.

highsec players dont want to leave highsec because they are playing the game they want to play there. why people have a problem with this is beyond me. and its even better if they just hoard all the money. hoarded money never enters the market. people like me are the problem, i make a lot of isk, and place that isk directly into the market.

the goons are doing the same, they are forcing people to use their ISK surplus buy new ships. there has been more ISK injected into the market in the last couple months because of it. hell look at plex prices, they are so high because the value of ISK is so low.
Myrdraeus Keaunt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2011-12-08 17:51:06 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:

Thanks for your concern. We're having a ball in the shallow end of the pool.


Just so you know...that's not part of the pool. That's the urinal.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#24 - 2011-12-08 17:52:50 UTC
There are also those that do Incursions while the sun shines then replace ships during war declarations. They prefer the controlled conflicts based on intelligence rather than the random encounters of low sec roams. Thus the reason they have no interest in going outside of high sec.

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Mirima Thurander
#25 - 2011-12-08 17:54:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mirima Thurander
i know why null sec people do null

i know why low sec people stay in low sec

i know why people live in WHs

i know why people that do indy stuff do it

they all have goals they wish to reach be it Getting kills, building stuff, exploring, building a empier, farming isk for new ships.


But then there's the group of people that don't do any of that but still actively play eve ever day and farm isk and do so filed with glee for it, with no goal that i can see besides getting more isk to do nothing with it, i keep assuming they MUST have a goal to keep playing or there is no reason to play.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#26 - 2011-12-08 17:56:47 UTC
I like to believe I don't fall under anyones prepackaged labels.

Ships cost, mods cost. No matter how good you are you will eveentually lose your ship even in PVE. Get scrammed while depending on Centurylink as your ISP and by-by shiney T3. Thta's where the ISK goes when not in PVP mode. While PVP mode it goes even faster.

You ask why we play the game. I can't tell you why "we" play the game. I can tell you why I play the game, it's for the spaceships!
I love spaceships, everything else in game is just a distraction while flying my spaceship.

As far as joining a group, I find that the more people in agroup the more asshats you have to deal with. Another issue is every Jita scammer, every asshat scanning you on your way home from the market is someone's alt. I don't trust you becasue I don't know who your alt is, if you even bother to hide your asshatedness.



Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Hecatonis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2011-12-08 18:01:32 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
the only people that could possibly answer my question seam to keep assuming im going to say there playing the game wrong and refuse to answer



i know why null sec people do null

i know why low sec people stay in low sec

i know why people live in WHs

i know why people that do indy stuff do it

they all have goals they wish to reach be it Getting kills, building stuff, exploring, building a empier, farming isk for new ships.


But then there's the group of people that don't do any of that but still actively play eve ever day and farm isk and do so filed with glee for it, with no goal that i can see besides getting more isk to do nothing with it, i keep assuming they MUST have a goal to keep playing or there is no reason to play.


i dont think you reading what people are saying. they are answering you, maybe you dont like the answer, or maybe you dont understand it.

they are playing the game, they might not need goals other then "i want that new ship". i havent had a long term goal in even in close to a year, and i am fine with that.

i think its time you ask yourself a question. what kind of answer are you looking for? because i dont think you are even looking for one. people are telling you why they stay in highsec. and amass wealth, your just not accepting their answer
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2011-12-08 18:04:27 UTC
Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote:
Captain Alcatraz wrote:
Because some people would never leave the cave given the chance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave


Ugh. That allegory is one of the worst justifications of woo ever. It forms the basis of every tyranny known to man. "Force them out, they'll thank us later." It's too bad that of all the great Greek philosophers, Plato is the most remembered.


It's incredibly ironic you could be so wrong on your interpretation, mostly because this applies to people like you.
El Boracho
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-12-08 18:05:29 UTC
Its a sandbox game so people play the areas that amuse them. You don't need to understand why. They don't need to explain it to you. Get over yourself you are no better then them.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#30 - 2011-12-08 18:05:41 UTC
A friend of a friend once told me

"THERE BE DRAGONS" ....

So I remained in hi sec ever since, with this alt anyway.Big smile

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#31 - 2011-12-08 18:06:06 UTC
Notice that most people who attacked the OP apply a false dichotomy between the "OP's way" and "their way". They respond "why should I play your way?", despite the fact that the OP specified a very specific group of players and asked the very general question "why don't you do anything else?".

It's like asking a soccer player why they play soccer, and getting "why should I play your sport?" as the answer.

The common wisdom holds true; those who sit in empire and do basically nothing have no knowledge of the game, and thus lump 99% of the activities in it into one alternative playstyle which they then reject. Notice that some people mention not wanting to go to null, which doesn't even answer the question, since the OP mentioned goals like playing the markets or funding a new ship purchase.

There's the answer to the OP's question: They don't do what they do because they have a reason to do it, they do it because they signed up and then preemptively rejected 99% of the content of the game, leaving them with only endless mining or missioning or what have you. Everything else is terribad PvP-land, and you better not suggest they get involved.


(inb4 miners/missioners/whatever who do actually take part in the game think I'm talking about them and get butthurt)

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SpaceSquirrels
#32 - 2011-12-08 18:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: SpaceSquirrels
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
What makes you think that living in high sec has to be cheap? Faction mods, T3 ships and so forth as examples.


Yes they cost isk but after you have them, they keep grinding isks, you cant tell me they grind isk just to have more isk?


if they grind isk for PLEX its because they wish to keep playing they have a goal they want to reach, but if there goal is simply

GRIND ISK - BUY PLEX - GRIND MORE ISK BUY MORE PLEX

That just looks unhealthy.


Man makes a point.

Whats the goal?

Just eat time?

Granted I suppose some people could just like doing missions for missions sake.

But really the question is whats the driving force?
Myrdraeus Keaunt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2011-12-08 18:10:30 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote:
Captain Alcatraz wrote:
Because some people would never leave the cave given the chance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave


Ugh. That allegory is one of the worst justifications of woo ever. It forms the basis of every tyranny known to man. "Force them out, they'll thank us later." It's too bad that of all the great Greek philosophers, Plato is the most remembered.


It's incredibly ironic you could be so wrong on your interpretation, mostly because this applies to people like you.


Uh huh. Someone that spends any time in self-reflection might consider for a moment that claims like that are too easy to make for them to be meaningful. Plato should have spent more time on that and less time finding fault with everyone around him.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#34 - 2011-12-08 18:11:18 UTC
Hecatonis wrote:
i dont think you reading what people are saying. they are answering you, maybe you dont like the answer, or maybe you dont understand it.
I don't think you (and the others giving similar answers) understand the question. He is asking why people who don't have a goal bother to endlessly farm.

If you have a goal, even jsut saving for new ships (which the OP specifically listed), the question doesn't apply to you.

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Mirima Thurander
#35 - 2011-12-08 18:12:22 UTC
Hecatonis wrote:


i dont think you reading what people are saying. they are answering you, maybe you dont like the answer, or maybe you dont understand it.

they are playing the game, they might not need goals other then "i want that new ship". i havent had a long term goal in even in close to a year, and i am fine with that.

i think its time you ask yourself a question. what kind of answer are you looking for? because i dont think you are even looking for one. people are telling you why they stay in highsec. and amass wealth, your just not accepting their answer


that post was written and posted before i had gotten the notification about the other posters.





All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Conath
Conath Corporation
#36 - 2011-12-08 18:12:53 UTC
I'm master of mint and i want more ISK !!!!! Twisted
Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2011-12-08 18:13:24 UTC
Lord Ryan wrote:
depending on Centurylink as your ISP


Yeah. Lol

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Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-12-08 18:15:18 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Morbidly curious about this myself.

Imagine the train wreck if everyone in empire moved to 0.0


you called?

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Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-12-08 18:16:19 UTC
im just going to assume that everyone who just missions all day long must be a zombie

SPACE ZOMBIES!!!!!

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Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#40 - 2011-12-08 18:16:26 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Hecatonis wrote:
i dont think you reading what people are saying. they are answering you, maybe you dont like the answer, or maybe you dont understand it.
I don't think you (and the others giving similar answers) understand the question. He is asking why people who don't have a goal bother to endlessly farm.

If you have a goal, even jsut saving for new ships (which the OP specifically listed), the question doesn't apply to you.

Your assertion is based on the assumption that having a goal is necessary. For some people, that is not a valid statement. Some people just like the pretty lights, or the big numbers in their account, or the fact that they're in space. 'Having a goal' is not a necessary part of their play structure.