EVE General Discussion

I disagree, even tho most of isk creating activities are indeed solo / two, three accounts...

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

The idea of solipsism is that only one's "Self" or mind can be verified and nothing else. After all, we might be living in the Matrix or our neighbors might really BE super sophisticated non-intelligent robots.)

Somewhere along the line solipsism became equated with narcissism which it is NOT.

Solipsism says there is nothing but the self.

Narcissism says the world should reflect the self.

They are quite different.

Why not just say they are self-centered?

Because that isn't what I meant.

As an industrialist player, I would go to null more easily if it wasn't such a gigantic pita to move my stuff. First I have to run my clone out there so I can hop back and forth, then I need to get some ships and gear out there either by shipping it myself or jumping it down. Then I have to work in an environment where mining is a hell of a lot of work for not a huge gain. T1 manufacturing is a huge hassle and T2 is almost impossible compared to empire.

If you want people in null sec, it's not the risk people should be looking at. It's the logistics of being able to do things like refine minerals, build T2 items and ships, and being able to move into null sec without taking half a day trying to find a pipe without bubbles and gate camps to get there. In a nutshell, I would like to see improvements to make manufacturing easier. That would be a start. I can deal with getting a clone to null, but being able to buy/build my stuff there would make it less of a hassle and easier for me to contribute. If need a freighter full of crap before I can do much, that's not going to get me moving any faster.

I don't care about losing ships or getting podded. I care about wasting my time when I should be having fun. Most of my times in null have been a waste of my time.

I'm surprised anyone is still in nullsec. You'd have to be a zombie to suffer being told what to do, having your play dictated by what the gang wants to do. No personal freedom. Getting hassled for not being logged in all the time. Getting hassled for not being a sad, online nerd all day. And what do you mainly do? Long periods of nothing while roaming around killing anything smaller than you.

******* BORING.

Their is a shitload to do in hisec/lowsec in your own time in your own way - and it doesn't have to be PVP-free.

As much as some of the things in nullsec give me an eyetwitch and a groan...

I think there's quite enough easy ISK routes in highsec that there doesn't need to be yet more added to make it a carebear paradise.

For all my lack of skills training now... I'm on the fence about null. On one hand... I'm not ready for the plunge yet. Partly for the reasons given while half-asleep, and pissed off at other ****, so my comments came off a lot more whiny/harsh than intended.

On the OTHER hand... there's a small list of things i want to do that you can't do in highsec.

Fleet booster in a war fleet. not an incursion fleet. a war fleet.

Carriers (so far off in the distant future it's not even funny)

High-risk mining ops. Preferrably as orca/rorqual support.

raiding (no not WoW raiding, hit and run attacks meant to destabilize an area, and disrupt supply and communications lines)

Making an Avatar go pop.

sneak into a major alliance home system, and graffiti the station. with artillery.

Hot drop an invasion fleet.

get hot-dropped in an invasion fleet.

Blockade running (this is the counterpoint to my distaste for gatecamps. I enjoy figuring out how to wiggle through them successfully. it's like trolling, only more aggravating to the gatecampers)

make an Erebus go pop

black ops assault on an enemy fleet. Kamikaze bomber runs for the win.

deathrace null! (everyone gets a fast frigate. the racetrack is mapped through as much hostile space as possible. person who makes it the furthest in a non-cloaked ship wins)

make a Ragnarok go pop

Actually see a carrier in the game as opposed to the little preview window and youtube

actually see a mothership in action, again, not on youtube.

Fly logistics in a 300+ fleet battle

make a leviathan go pop

See a titan in play

blast the ever living **** out of the one idiot in local (there's always one, and if you're wondering who I'm talking about, it's you)

Shoot someone for the Lulz.

Actually get a chance to retaliate and hurt a ************ before concord sucks all the adrenaline out by killing the ****** first.

Get killmail untainted by CONCORD assistance

get a frigate swarm of cranky, pissed-off assholes together and go on a rampage, in the original goon style that made me laugh my ass off when i heard about it the first time.

Blow up a station

Build a station.

take over a system or three.

Destabilize an alliance via fleet warfare. (i don't care who, i just wanna see **** explode)

supply arms and equipment to dangerous, untrustworthy people for profit.

get shot down by my own arms and equipment that I built for untrustworthy people :)


that's a rather long list of **** you can't do in highsec. it's why I'm not dismissing the potential of ever going. I'm just not ready yet. I don't have nearly the stockpile of cheap ships, guns, modules, ammo, etc. I want to go forth and get my ass blown up repeatedly. And when i get into my first REAL PvP action?

I'd like to have the skills so whatever ship I'm flying doesn't just pop like a zit. It's no fun when you can't shoot back effectively.

I wouldn't make that one a goal. The incoming damage is way too high to rep, and you just end up feeling useless as well as getting no kills. Everybody loves logi, of course, but flying them can be downright discouraging at times.



I like your list. Not all of it necessarily makes sense (for example, in 0.0 'dangerous, untrustworthy people' includes everybody, including your corpmates), but it's a darned good list and entirely achievable. I went through and checked off the ones I've done; I'm missing 4.

There's a trap you may be falling into, though, which is that of excessive preparation. People often tell themselves that they'll go out to 0.0 someday, at some point, when they have the right skills and enough money, but what they end up doing is spend years 'preparing' and never get around to actually taking the leap.

You don't need a stockpile of ships or a bunch of level 5 skills, just a couple of hundred million isk to buy and fit ships (your staging system will be well stocked if you're in an alliance) and the skills to fly at least one fleet ship. Level 5 skills are nice, but in an actual fight experience is much more likely to save your ship; and there's only one way to get experience.

You can even give it a try without actually committing. Off the top of my head the agony unleashed university apparently covers ~real 0.0 small gang pvp~, e-uni are more general but also cover pvp, and noir is doing a class in January.

So that explains my facination....

I was on my way to null with my alts....
Then SC nerf happend

Now... im a highsec super care

No time for stupid questions.
To buzzy melting veldspar