Intergalactic Summit

Apologetics are not my field, however since you ask this in a more reasonable manner than some would.. I will do my best to answer.

Yes, the Amarrian people did go though such a transition. At one time we were not much different from the Matari in spriritual maturity. We did not, however, have the benefit of guides. It was a terrible and bloody period for us. Our pre space history and the Scriptures record this well. We stumbled, at times horrifically, at a cost of millions of lives.

This period of development was just as Amarrians United Athra and renamed it Amarr.

Personally I still call it Athra, to remember the long and hard journey our people took to get even to that point.

I have said that the process of reclaimation is a personal AND cultural one. For us the latter part was horrible and the rulers of the time decreed that other cultures should not have to wander blindly as we did, thus with divine inspiration the Holder Houses were blessed and charged with this sacred duty. To be the guides that we did not have .

If I have erred in this summary of our history, forgive me... Again apologetics is not my area.

Slaves are paying penance. Slaves are prisoners, and prisoners are slaves. The two are not different things, save in time since the original crime. A prisoner, a slave of the first generation, is the direct orchestrater of the act, and his punishment is highest. But sin is etched in blood, from the great apostasy of our ancestors, to simple murder or thievery. The prisoner, the slave, is interred to punish them for their crimes in a way that also allows them to contribute to society. They are guided as well to salvation, of course, but part of achieving salvation is in acknowledging and paying off the crime that was committed. The greater the crime, the greater the taint that must be cleansed.

There are, today, slaves of 9th generation. Her Imperial Majesty released those of 9th and higher on a one-time basis. Any slave born of an 8th generation couple is, of course, a new 9th generation. And new slaves are still taken. It is a punishment for crimes. Remember the Refusards, who denied Her Imperial Majesty's emancipation edict and whose families were enslaved for their defiance. Remember the Grand Admiral of the Ammatar, whose incompetence during the Elder War saw him and his family enslaved and placed in the service of the Lord Arim Ardishapur. Remember those prisoners of war taken from Matari aggressors, who CONCORD regulations permit us to enslave as punishment for their invasion of our sovereign space.

The True Amarr did not need the same as other races, because the True Amarr never abandoned God. They are the Chosen people of God because they never denied him as the apostate races did. They are still human, and still capable of sin, and must still prove their worth to God, but to be "True" is to have never fallen, and that is a title that persists only so long as the Amarr maintains his faith to God. There are those of Athran ancestry who have fallen, who have been enslaved and are no better than the other apostate races. But they are not True, because to fall even once is to forever taint your bloodline with the great sin.

Also: Bwahahahahahahah.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if you don't want people responding, then perhaps the journal shouldn't be someplace that invites it?

A few things here;

Firstly I will point out dangers and sin where I see them, be that among the pagans or in my own back yard. No one, save the divine Emperor and theology council , is immune from critique.

Secondly, what part of the idea that Man has fallen from God and must work to be reclaimed to their original position do you have issue with? I am not judging you to be in need of a Holder's guidance, I have never said that. I have said that Some are at a point where without such guidance there would be a multiplication of their suffering. I respectfully Disagree with Samira Kernher's position that Amarr never fell. I find that to be in contradiction to reality. That Amarr was first to rise does not make them superior, but it places on us a responsibility to those who have not or have only just begin.

Finally, I do not need to offer any such 'defense', I would respond by asking where your support is. The Amarr history and scriptures are so vast and complete that they cannot be contained in a single book or even a single building.

The fact that the process of reclamation, through the 'guidance' of a holder, involves the nonconsensual enslavement of you, your children, and all your ancestors unless somebody mercifully frees the ninth generation down.

Learning to walk is a painful process, it is even more painful without the hand of a parent. I have said before that there are some who enjoy applying the lash too much, it is unfortunate that these few have become the stereotype when they are not in fact the norm.

It does not help when heretics and heathens take slaves and abuse them in public view as is the manner of nauplius and the Angel Cartel.

We weren't unaware. All humanity comes from the same place, and we all followed God once. But they abandoned God and that leaves a taint that has to be cleansed. The crime was apostasy, the worst crime. Emancipation doesn't happen at second generation because it's not about conversion, it's about working off the sins in our blood and proving that our lineage is responsible enough to be able to live free lives without turning from God again.

"Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur

It is a tool of cultural conversion, nothing more, nothing less...

Then of course, it is a sacred duty to Amarr since it is Scripture. Scriptures says that eventually, everyone should be united under God.

In religious terms, it is upliftment. It is finding back the path of the Divine that everyone bar the True Amarr lost long ago. The end of the journey of course, is Heaven.



This is precisely because Scripturally speaking, the True Amarr are the only ones that never went astray of God's path.

To speak more pragmatically in a more secular way, True Amarr culture and ideals prevail, because they follow the path of the Divine. Why does they follow the path of the Divine ? Because they defined that path through hardship, and continue to do so with the help of all the Reclaimed.

The same way that the Gallente believe that democracy should prevail, the Amarr believe that the true Faith should prevail. It is, strictly speaking, believing that one's own beliefs are superior, and should be brought to everyone else.

And, in the end, the higher up an individual is (like a True Amarr), the higher the fall can be. The system in a way, actually applies to everyone.



Ms Kerhner already provided the Scriptural answer, so in a more secular way, that should translate again into cultural assimilation.

In every nation, cultural assimilation happens (and in both ways!). The Matari immigrates living in the Federation for example are already very different from their own cousins in the Republic. With each generation, they slowly acquire more and more of the local culture, the same way they can colour that local culture with their own they bring with them.

A similar process can be observed in the Ammatar Mandate, which can sometimes be a blend of Matari and Amarr culture (the Ammatar Church, the local languages and traditions, things like the Cultural Recess, etc).

Well... such things take far more than a single generation.

In layman's terms, it means that for cultural assimilation to happen, it might require many decades or centuries, depending on the willingness of the individual, and its malleability. It is not just true for the Amarr, but for every nation. It is also true for children on a more local scale. It is also childhood, at every generational step, where the most progress is done (or sometimes, recess happens).

Now then, I have heard and read that people wonder what would be the point to convert since they will probably not be cleansed of their impurity in the first generation. Well, that is a typical individualist point of view, where the Amarr tend to reason more in terms of lineage and families. What is most important in Amarr, is not the self, but the family, something not so dissimilar with the Matari clan structure.

Many also believe that once the family has atoned, its individuals that never emancipated (the sinners and heretics excepted), are also atoned.

Some hardliners though, consider that they are a necessary waste.

I uh... hope that answers the questions... I tried to do it the best I could.