Intergalactic Summit

Every new theology, belief or revelation is subject to scrutiny. I welcome your skepticism and relish the chance to demonstrate the righteousness of my beliefs.

When Her Majesty returned previous, there was a clear sign of God's favor and will: the Bright Star, the need of the Empire for Salvation from the blooder chamberlain and the Elder fleet, and the lack of an Emperor. And so again, will it be. The coming of the Ark, the end of days, the Empire's need, evidence of God's will and favor will all be signs of her return. The Amarr are not a people of blind faith and neither are the Jamylites.

Mr. Daphiti, we do not know if this is the correct title to address you by. We apologize if it is not.

We and you are both flagellants, believers in walking the straight and narrow line of Faith with any deviations punishable not only by spiritual censure, but through physical castigation and punishment. If you meet us face to face, we can share with you our scars and bruises. We have no pride for any such marks, for each represents a personal failure of Faith.

To imply that Sacred Flesh can simply be cloned is a grave sin. Any such attempt would most certainly be met by retribution from God. Sacred Flesh is peerless and Divinely Blessed and no manmade process can make it or unmake it. As people of the Faith, we Jamylites practice great Vigilance against treachery and deception.

If Jamyl were to return, the Order of Jamyl would not be body to declare her authenticity. That responsibility would be the Theology Council's and the Emperor's. Who are you to doubt their word, in such an event?

We are not deceived by Molok or any such constructions of sophistry. Your accusations are divisive to Amarr. If you would like to take our hand, we offer it to you. You need not share our adoration for the Once and Future Empress. We can join hands as Amarr and surrender together to God as we do at the Call to Prayer.

And as always, \J/. Hands up for Jamyl.

We will address your statements point by point.


We are unable to locate the complete and unabridged Amarr Scriptures. Have you studied every verse personally and come to this conclusion? Would you forward us all the verses you used for your determination, so that everyone here can be satisfied you are not just making conclusions based on a few verses only? When you mention "established theology" are you planning to present or quote said theology in a subsequent post?




The Empress came back to life once, by the grace of God and only God. Do you disagree with this statement? You are treading on dangerous ground, here.




It truly sounds like you are speaking for God now. This seems like inappropriate conjecture.




You can tell that to everyone who believes the Holy Amarr Empire will come victorious against the Drifter threat. Hope is not conjecture. Hope is not an enemy of Faith.

Regarding ‘salvation’, it’s quite possible you’re reading into things too far. We are of the Amarr faith. We believe what you believe. We hold Jamyl in great esteem because the Scriptures tell us we should. Her position is always subservient to God.

The Mercy of our Emperor is Limitless. His Rule is Benign and Righteous. His Love is Perpetual.
--The Scriptures, Book I, The Code of Demeanor



You will never see any criticism of the Faith, of the Empire, or any of the Faithful from Jamylites. Our enemy is at our gates, and our divisiveness will only feed them. We offer you our hand as well, so that we may pray together to God.



\J/ Hands up for Jamyl.

Lieutenant Kernher, we have an immense amount of the respect for you. Perhaps you know a bit about us as well.

You have decided to level an unprompted accusation at us, and worse, attacked our fidelity to God. We turn the other cheek to you. Feel free to strike it. We will not fight you.

We hope your hand grows tired before we are unable to stand again, but we bear no ill will in being the loser of this fight.

You have a pet furrier?
Always thought about getting one of those....what are they like?

I was... not really enthusiastic in taking part in this discussion though...

I would tend to agree with Ms Mithra on the principles and theological theory... But I just feel that believing in Jamyl I return is akin to believing in God. It can not be proven or denied by available facts and Reason, and even if it proves to me as improbable as God being some kind of cosmic anthropomorphic figure, it still lies in the realm of possibilities, and thus, Faith...

And when Reason will disprove it, then it will disappear from Faith, as it should.

Or when Reason will make it true, then it will be incorporated into Knowledge, which intersects both Faith and Reason, like Scripture does.

I'm quite sure it'd have been noted if the Scriptures would speak of a second return of Jamyl Sarum: They didn't even speak of the first, which would have quite surely been made known when she did return for the first time. But feel free and show me the passage where a second ressurrection of Jamyl Sarum is foretold in the Scriotures: After all it's you who's putting forward this idea, so the burden of proof rests with you.


I don't need to question that at all to point out that a second return is a possibility but not a fact. You're just treating my comment out of context - which you probably must to have any leverage against it. But please, show me how a second return of the late Empress follows logically from the first - or does at least confer on it with logical necessity a higher probability.


When I say that God is not bound to your predictions of s second return of Empress Jamyl Sarum I am supposed to sound like I'm speaking for God? I'm pointing out that you shouldn't say what God will or won't do, except if in possession of good reason to do so. Which you lack entirely in the case of a second resurrection and return of the late Empress.
So, it's more like you're saying what God will do. I'd rather leave to God what He will do and I advise you to do the same.


Again you treat what I say entirely out of context: It's not about victory over the Drifter threat, it is about your 'resurrectionist' ideas. While it is a possibility that Lord God will ressurrect the late Empress a second time at the eschaton, it remains a possibility: Not a fact. Also, there is no hope needed in a second resurrection of the late Empress here, only hope and faith in salvation through God.
Anyway: In teaching the second resurrection as a fact, you're making an error, because you teach a falsehood.


Then how do you connect the 'salvation' that Empress Jamyl Sarum's return provided from the Elder fleet with the soteriological salvation at the end of times, arguing that because the late Empress provided the former, she will clearly be connected to the latter? One has not much to do with the other and most certainly you can't deduce the latter from the former - that's the point here. Yet you claim that they do.

And really, I don't believe that Empress Jamyl Sarum will be resurrected a second time, while you, apparently, do. Nor have I a vested belief that she won't. I believe that it is unnecessary to have any vested belief one way or the other and that any belief in the matter is more harmful than not believing.
So we don't believe the same things - despite (hopefully) great overlap in our beliefs.

Also, you don't need to voice criticism to commit to false or dangerous beliefs. Your 'resurrectionsim' is the source of divisiveness, if anything. The late Empress deserves our respect, but to idolize her as you do is going too far.

Only in God can we thrive and grow.
Only in God.

Praefecta, I never said that God has yet to be proven...

I was pretty sure to have equated it to certain representations and interpretations of said God. To my knowledge, those are shared even today by most of Amarr, and are certainly not apocrypha.

I was even scolded by Amarrians once to have criticized them for being improbable.

Tell me, do you consider the Elder Fleet to have been more powerful than the Drifters? Able to field more firepower? Strike in a more unpredictable manner? Absorb hundreds of losses with no visible loss of OpTempo?

If not, I question 'the time of her people's greatest need'.

So this prophesy, has no source.. and relates to a threat which cannot be described?

The Danger of this teaching but grows by the minute, now not only can a false Messiah be raised, she can create
from whole cloth a custom fit 'threat' to rally the blind followers towards!