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Terusava
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-08-04 00:16:47 UTC
Hi everyone, I have been interested in playing EVE for a long time now and I am finally taking the steps to remedy that. Not only is the space theme interesting to me but the vast amount of activities that are available. Everything I have read so far makes it seem like the possibilities are near endless.

I am experience with several MMOs and other online games, but this seems like a whole different beast. I mainly like PVP activity in games I play but I understand the need to have a firm financial base as well so that you can afford to keep playing.

Right now I am reading more about low and null space so that I can narrow down my search for the right corporation.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-08-04 00:30:35 UTC
Welcome.

Here's some stuff to take a look at if you're interested in PVP.

http://blog.beyondreality.se/Newbie-skill-plan-2

Decent skill plan that let's you try out a variety of combat roles. Now, specializing is better in the long run, but it's better to do so when you're sure you want to sink time into a ship/flying style, when you're new, you're looking for the best bang for your buck (timewise) which is why it's good to aim for level 3, or 4 in a a broad base of skills than level 5s everywhere. There are some exceptional skills however that should be trained to 5 pretty quickly, like CPU/Power Grid management and some others.

http://www.evealtruist.com/p/article-index.html

Very well known blog by a highly respected player, he doesn't play anymore, so some of the information regarding ships is out of date (buffs and nerfs etc..), however the the more generalized articles are still true today. Do look at the one on D-Scan, that's something every newbie should learn to use ASAP. It'll find you fights when hunting, and keep you alive when avoiding them.

EVE Guide: The 3 basic PVP tactics

A good video covering some of the very basics of EVE PVP (complete with graph porn). In short, being able to dictate the range of the engagement is the MOST important thing in a fight. There are many other factors of course, but range control is extremely important.

All I can think of at the moment. Again, welcome to EVE, enjoy yourself and fly dangerously.

o7

Grrr.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2015-08-04 00:45:48 UTC
Hello and welcome to Eve.

May you have a long and rewarding career here.



DMC
Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
#4 - 2015-08-04 00:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Buoytender Bob
Just remember to keep your cool when you first lose. By losing, I mean that sooner or later you are going to get scammed, bumped, ganked, cheated, or any of the myriad ways the EVE draws you into an epic love/hate relationship. Those who keep their peace of mind, win at EVE.

To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.

...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#5 - 2015-08-04 01:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Terusava wrote:
Hi everyone, I have been interested in playing EVE for a long time now and I am finally taking the steps to remedy that. Not only is the space theme interesting to me but the vast amount of activities that are available. Everything I have read so far makes it seem like the possibilities are near endless.
Welcome aboard, as you rightly say, the possibilities in Eve are near endless. Unlike most other MMO's the NPC content provided by CCP is fairly static, instead they give us the tools to make our own content. In short the endgame in Eve is only limited by the goals you set yourself.

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I am experience with several MMOs and other online games, but this seems like a whole different beast. I mainly like PVP activity in games I play but I understand the need to have a firm financial base as well so that you can afford to keep playing.
The best advice I can give you is to forget pretty much everything you've learnt from them, as you say Eve is an entirely different beast.

Eve was my first MMO, I've tried to play a couple of others, not having the possibility of just murdering the guy next to me, and looting his corpse for his gear if I feel like it made them feel bland.

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Right now I am reading more about low and null space so that I can narrow down my search for the right corporation.
Look into KarmaFleet, Brave Newbies and Pandemic Horde as a starting point, they're all newbie friendly nullsec entities with links to the more powerful alliances in null.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Terusava
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-08-04 01:02:53 UTC
Buoytender Bob wrote:
Just remember to keep your cool when we you first lose. By losing, I mean that sooner or later you are going to get scammed, bumped, ganked, cheated, or any of the myriad ways the EVE draws you into an epic love/hate relationship. Those who keep their peace of mind, win at EVE.


An earlier history with DOTA taught me to get over losing pretty rapidly! If you can't deal with it there then you won't be playing long, or just won't be a happy person.

Thank you for the responses so far. What are some common ways people screw others over in EVE? I want to make sure to watch out for that.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2015-08-04 01:46:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Terusava wrote:
Buoytender Bob wrote:
Just remember to keep your cool when we you first lose. By losing, I mean that sooner or later you are going to get scammed, bumped, ganked, cheated, or any of the myriad ways the EVE draws you into an epic love/hate relationship. Those who keep their peace of mind, win at EVE.


An earlier history with DOTA taught me to get over losing pretty rapidly! If you can't deal with it there then you won't be playing long, or just won't be a happy person.

Thank you for the responses so far. What are some common ways people screw others over in EVE? I want to make sure to watch out for that.

Hmmmm yeah I like the attitude but you aren't going to lose a week, a Month or a years worth of work in an instant of complacency in dota.

Your losses here will be felt in the time and effort spent and believe me you will feel it.

It's part of the charm of the place in my mind but it can get to you from time to time.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#8 - 2015-08-04 01:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Terusava wrote:
What are some common ways people screw others over in EVE? I want to make sure to watch out for that.
Hisec
  • Suicide ganking; sometimes tied in with extortion rackets or ransoms. If your ship, cargo or fit is expensive enough or profitable to kill, people will sacrifice ships to Concord to try and make it explode.
  • Mission invasions; people warp into a mission space and gain suspect status by looting wrecks in the hope that you'll shoot at them, 99% of the time you're going to explode if you do. *
  • Wardecs; people pay Concord to look the other way for a week while they get their pewpew on against a specific target. A wardec is basically a hunting licence, with other players being the prey. *
  • Extortion rackets; people will attempt to prevent you from doing something in what they consider to be their territory until you pay a fee. An example would be the CODE. alliance, who lay claim to all mining rights in hisec and control of commerce in various "choke point" systems and demand a permit fee for operating in their territory. They use bumping, miners away from asteroids, haulers away from gates, and suicide ganking amongst other tactics to enforce their claim.

  • *If you want more information about mission invasions and wardecs, Ralph (poster above) would be a good person to ask, they are his bread and butter activities.

    Everywhere
  • Scams, some things are forbidden but scams are otherwise allowed. Most of them follow real life scams in their execution, others are specific to Eve. See here for more detail.

  • As in real life, if it looks too good to be true it's probably a scam. Read everything twice, then check again.

    In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

    New Player FAQ

    Feyd's Survival Pack

    Terusava
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #9 - 2015-08-04 02:03:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Terusava
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
    Terusava wrote:
    Buoytender Bob wrote:
    Just remember to keep your cool when we you first lose. By losing, I mean that sooner or later you are going to get scammed, bumped, ganked, cheated, or any of the myriad ways the EVE draws you into an epic love/hate relationship. Those who keep their peace of mind, win at EVE.


    An earlier history with DOTA taught me to get over losing pretty rapidly! If you can't deal with it there then you won't be playing long, or just won't be a happy person.

    Thank you for the responses so far. What are some common ways people screw others over in EVE? I want to make sure to watch out for that.

    Hmmmm yeah I like the attitude but you aren't going to lose a week, a Month or a years worth of work in an instant of complacency in dota.

    Your losses here will be felt in the time and effort spent and believe me you will feel it.

    It's part of the charm of the place in my mind but it can get to you from time to time.


    I was looking up more about losses and it looks like I can just buy a PLEX? and basically be buying isk. That should negate the losses of time spent grinding if one can afford it.

    Jonah said some of your activities are wardecs and mission invasions? Can you tell me a little more about what kind of people you look for as a target.
    ShahFluffers
    Ice Fire Warriors
    #10 - 2015-08-04 02:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
    Terusava wrote:
    I was looking up more about losses and it looks like I can just buy a PLEX? and basically be buying isk. That should negate the losses of time spent grinding if one can afford it.

    If you want to buy PLEXs then go with TRUSTED places.

    CCP sells them, so does Amazon. The price should be somewhere around 20.00 USD/EU

    If you come across a site that says it will sell you ships and ISK directly... or PLEXs at an absurd discount... it is, without exception, a Real Money Trading site and you want to avoid it like the plague.

    If you buy from a sketchy place you run the risk of a GM removing money from your wallet without warning and leaving with negative ISK... which is not something you can easily recover from.

    Terusava wrote:
    Jonah said some of your activities are wardecs and mission invasions? Can you tell me a little more about what kind of people you look for as a target.

    People with assets in space (like a Player Owned Starbase sitting on a moon or a POCO around a planet)... people who fly really expensive ships (preferably with "bling-fits")...

    ... and especially "ignorants."

    We have a lot of those here.

    Bear in mind that "ignorants" will often look a lot like genuine newbies. My personal take on this is that if anyone is flying an expensive ship (see: more than 100 to 200+ million) they are "fair game"... be they newbie or otherwise.
    Ralph King-Griffin
    New Eden Tech Support
    #11 - 2015-08-04 02:32:54 UTC
    Terusava wrote:
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
    Terusava wrote:
    Buoytender Bob wrote:
    Just remember to keep your cool when we you first lose. By losing, I mean that sooner or later you are going to get scammed, bumped, ganked, cheated, or any of the myriad ways the EVE draws you into an epic love/hate relationship. Those who keep their peace of mind, win at EVE.


    An earlier history with DOTA taught me to get over losing pretty rapidly! If you can't deal with it there then you won't be playing long, or just won't be a happy person.

    Thank you for the responses so far. What are some common ways people screw others over in EVE? I want to make sure to watch out for that.

    Hmmmm yeah I like the attitude but you aren't going to lose a week, a Month or a years worth of work in an instant of complacency in dota.

    Your losses here will be felt in the time and effort spent and believe me you will feel it.

    It's part of the charm of the place in my mind but it can get to you from time to time.


    I was looking up more about losses and it looks like I can just buy a PLEX? and basically be buying isk. That should negate the losses of time spent grinding if one can afford it.

    Jonah said some of your activities are wardecs and mission invasions? Can you tell me a little more about what kind of people you look for as a target.

    Yeah you can plex but then you feel your losses in your actual wallet.

    Mission invasion is largely like fishing, just with players running missions, "suspect baiting" would be a more accurate term for it .
    Further reading
    FT Diomedes
    The Graduates
    #12 - 2015-08-04 02:56:57 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
    Terusava wrote:
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
    Terusava wrote:
    Buoytender Bob wrote:
    Just remember to keep your cool when we you first lose. By losing, I mean that sooner or later you are going to get scammed, bumped, ganked, cheated, or any of the myriad ways the EVE draws you into an epic love/hate relationship. Those who keep their peace of mind, win at EVE.


    An earlier history with DOTA taught me to get over losing pretty rapidly! If you can't deal with it there then you won't be playing long, or just won't be a happy person.

    Thank you for the responses so far. What are some common ways people screw others over in EVE? I want to make sure to watch out for that.

    Hmmmm yeah I like the attitude but you aren't going to lose a week, a Month or a years worth of work in an instant of complacency in dota.

    Your losses here will be felt in the time and effort spent and believe me you will feel it.

    It's part of the charm of the place in my mind but it can get to you from time to time.


    I was looking up more about losses and it looks like I can just buy a PLEX? and basically be buying isk. That should negate the losses of time spent grinding if one can afford it.

    Jonah said some of your activities are wardecs and mission invasions? Can you tell me a little more about what kind of people you look for as a target.


    Yes, if you can afford it that is an option. PLEX are selling for just under a billion ISK. You can either spend 20+ hours grinding away in highsec or work an extra hour at Starbucks. Or just not drink Starbucks for about three days... Particularly if you are smart and stick to learning Eve in T1 frigates and destroyers, you can have a lot of fun off one PLEX. Particularly if you join a newbie friendly 0.0 group with a good Ship Replacement Program.

    PS - never undock with a PLEX in your cargo. There is no reason to do that.

    CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

    Terusava
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #13 - 2015-08-04 03:01:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Terusava
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

    Yeah you can plex but then you feel your losses in your actual wallet.

    Mission invasion is largely like fishing, just with players running missions, "suspect baiting" would be a more accurate term for it .
    Further reading


    How fast does it take to earn the amount of a plex, not more than 3 hours? If it takes more than that than it seems working an hour or two and buying a plex is a lot more efficient.

    I'll check that blog out thanks!

    FT Diomedes wrote:

    Yes, if you can afford it that is an option. PLEX are selling for just under a billion ISK. You can either spend 20+ hours grinding away in highsec or work an extra hour at Starbucks. Or just not drink Starbucks for about three days... Particularly if you are smart and stick to learning Eve in T1 frigates and destroyers, you can have a lot of fun off one PLEX. Particularly if you join a newbie friendly 0.0 group with a good Ship Replacement Program.

    PS - never undock with a PLEX in your cargo. There is no reason to do that.


    That answers my question, thanks! Seems we thank a like and luckily I kicked my Starbucks habit :D
    ShahFluffers
    Ice Fire Warriors
    #14 - 2015-08-04 03:17:39 UTC
    Terusava wrote:
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

    Yeah you can plex but then you feel your losses in your actual wallet.

    Mission invasion is largely like fishing, just with players running missions, "suspect baiting" would be a more accurate term for it .
    Further reading


    How fast does it take to earn the amount of a plex, not more than 3 hours? If it takes more than that than it seems working an hour or two and buying a plex is a lot more efficient.

    It depends.

    If you can run level 4 missions in high-sec space (payout is ~10 to 20 million ISK each)... run 3 of those a night... you will be able to buy a 900 million ISK PLEX from the in-game market in about 15 to 30 days.
    And that is being generous.

    If you run FW complexes and exploration in low-sec you can maybe earn a PLEX in about a week or so.

    If you live in null-sec or wormhole space you can maybe afford a PLEX in under a week... but only if you hardcore grind the NPC anomalies.

    If you can control or manage a large scale corporation/alliance and rake in the taxes and skim the resources of others... you can maybe afford a PLEX in about a day.


    Yeah... inequality is a theme here in EVE (hint: ever wonder what would happen in RL if the economy went full libertarian?) BlinkTwisted


    Terusava wrote:
    That answers my question, thanks! Seems we thank a like and luckily I kicked my Starbucks habit :D

    Pro-tip: EVE taught me the value of spreadsheets. Once I learned EXCEL I did my finances on it and realized how much I could save by cutting down on restaurants.

    And saving $20 USD a month. Cool

    Mephiztopheleze
    Laphroaig Inc.
    #15 - 2015-08-04 03:45:36 UTC
    Greetings and welcome! I was in your shoes around a year ago when I first dipped a toe into the New Eden pond.

    Here's some tips on PvP and the Path of the EWAR Samurai.


    Terusava wrote:
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

    Yeah you can plex but then you feel your losses in your actual wallet


    How fast does it take to earn the amount of a plex, not more than 3 hours? If it takes more than that than it seems working an hour or two and buying a plex is a lot more efficient.


    How quickly can you can earn a billion ISK?

    Like the answer to so many EVE questions: that depends. Smart market trading can make that very quickly, as can a player with a 15 ship, boosted multibox mining fleet. A gatecamp of newbies might get lucky and blap something that drops some ridiculously expensive Officer grade loot.

    I made my first couple of billion ISK writing EVE related news stories. These days, Planetary Interaction provides the income stream.

    The decision to buy PLEX to sell for ISK or not is a personal one each player will make. There is no *wrong* answer, except to warn you that, unlike other MMOs where *The Bestest Gear* can make you invincible, in EVE, *The Bestest Gear* will paint a very, very large target on your back.

    The best advice I can give you has already been given: take a look at KarmaFleet, Pandemic Hoard and Brave Newbies. If you want to really get some fast and intense PvP training, have a look at Red V Blue. Any corp or alliance worth joining will have a Ship Replacement Program in place which will reimburse some, if not all, of the loss, and occasionally you might even be able make a profit on getting blown up.

    Never forget, EVE is a social game.

    Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

    This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

    Terusava
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #16 - 2015-08-04 16:21:32 UTC
    Those are some good articles you linked, thanks! I am going to look into RvB first to try and get some experience in a safer place than null.

    Does joining Pandemic Horde, Brave or Karmafleet lock you into their parent alliances later on?

    Mephiztopheleze wrote:
    Greetings and welcome! I was in your shoes around a year ago when I first dipped a toe into the New Eden pond.

    Here's some tips on PvP and the Path of the EWAR Samurai.


    Terusava wrote:
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

    Yeah you can plex but then you feel your losses in your actual wallet


    How fast does it take to earn the amount of a plex, not more than 3 hours? If it takes more than that than it seems working an hour or two and buying a plex is a lot more efficient.


    How quickly can you can earn a billion ISK?

    Like the answer to so many EVE questions: that depends. Smart market trading can make that very quickly, as can a player with a 15 ship, boosted multibox mining fleet. A gatecamp of newbies might get lucky and blap something that drops some ridiculously expensive Officer grade loot.

    I made my first couple of billion ISK writing EVE related news stories. These days, Planetary Interaction provides the income stream.

    The decision to buy PLEX to sell for ISK or not is a personal one each player will make. There is no *wrong* answer, except to warn you that, unlike other MMOs where *The Bestest Gear* can make you invincible, in EVE, *The Bestest Gear* will paint a very, very large target on your back.

    The best advice I can give you has already been given: take a look at KarmaFleet, Pandemic Hoard and Brave Newbies. If you want to really get some fast and intense PvP training, have a look at Red V Blue. Any corp or alliance worth joining will have a Ship Replacement Program in place which will reimburse some, if not all, of the loss, and occasionally you might even be able make a profit on getting blown up.

    Never forget, EVE is a social game.

    Remi Renaud
    Doomheim
    #17 - 2015-08-04 17:00:45 UTC
    Terusava wrote:
    I understand the need to have a firm financial base as well so that you can afford to keep playing.
    If you're interested in jumping straight into pvp, Faction Warfare offers very accessible fights, as well as allows pvp to be sustainable, and even profitable if you know what you're doing.

    Just a quick summary of how you earn money in FW:

    In the warzone, systems are either controlled by your militia or the enemy militia. In both of them, Cosmic Anomalies called Complexes (frequently abbreviated to just "plexes") appear which militia pilots fight over for control.

    The goal of FW is to capture these plexes, either to shift control of the system to your militia, or to reinforce your militia's hold over the system. In both cases, successfully capturing these plexes by destroying any enemies guarding it and making the timer count down rewards you with loyalty points which you can then exchange for items to sell.

    If you're confident, you can capture plexes in enemy systems which grants you a large amount of loyalty points. This is called offensive plexing.

    If you're not yet confident, you can also reinforce plexes in your militia's systems which will still grant you a certain percentage of loyalty points depending on several factors. This is called defensive plexing. Of course, at any time, an enemy militia pilot could drop in and make your day very exciting.

    In short, faction warfare is fast, chaotic and boat loads of fun. Everyone flies frigates, destroyers and cruisers to keep things cheap, and it's very open to either fleet operations or just solo pvp.
    Vimsy Vortis
    Shoulda Checked Local
    Break-A-Wish Foundation
    #18 - 2015-08-04 17:23:52 UTC
    If you join a corporation where individual members are expected to be in highly specific ships to serve to benefit the corp ship placement and replacement programs that utilise corp or alliance level income are common which significantly reduces dependency on individual wealth.

    For example my alliance uses almost it's entire income from mercenary contracts to provide people with the ships and implants required for our members to be effective as mercenaries. As a result our members typically have of several tens of billions of isk in ships bought with alliance money, but not that much personal wealth.

    It is generally desirable to be supported by a strong economic system, but it doesn't have to be your own personal one, it can also be a collective.
    Mephiztopheleze
    Laphroaig Inc.
    #19 - 2015-08-04 23:06:28 UTC
    Terusava wrote:
    Those are some good articles you linked, thanks! I am going to look into RvB first to try and get some experience in a safer place than null.

    You're welcome, glad you enjoyed my scribblings.
    Enjoy your time in RvB. If you see him online, hit up Xantcha Valla who's still sitting on some newbro frigates I left in his care.

    Terusava wrote:
    Does joining Pandemic Horde, Brave or Karmafleet lock you into their parent alliances later on?

    Nope.

    Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

    This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

    ergherhdfgh
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #20 - 2015-08-04 23:51:11 UTC
    Terusava wrote:


    I am experience with several MMOs and other online games, but this seems like a whole different beast.

    Without going on the long diatribe that I normally do I'd like to mention that Eve is very different from other MMOs. Most MMOs seem to be very similar in the basic way that you operate in them.

    Other games seem to program us or at the very least train us to function in various default ways that we begin to assume are inherent within MMO games but are not.

    Many of these modus operandi that work well in other games can work against you in Eve and if you come to this game with those expectations and play Eve as if it were those other games your experience can be less than fun.

    However if you can let go of those preconceived notions and just open your self to Eve and experience it with fresh eyes the game can be very fun.
    Terusava wrote:

    I mainly like PVP activity in games I play but I understand the need to have a firm financial base as well so that you can afford to keep playing.

    The key in Eve is to fly cheap. As long as you fly cheap ships this should not be as big of a deal as some players make it out to be. Some PvPers pay for their PvP with PLEX wich one PLEX will go a long way if you are flying cheap T1 frigs or dessies and insure them. In many situations you can even make isk doing so.

    Also it's not that hard to 50-60 million isk per hour. You can for sure make more isk than that but I'm saying those numbers are not hard to come by.

    Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

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