Ships & Modules

May I answer your questions in little more detail?

In order to do that we need to go back in time a little. Once upon a time EVE was new and all the player that were there just started training some core skills, some learning skills and so on.

It is safe to assume that everyone had little amounts of skillpoints and back then not all the things we do have now were available. People started to blow each other up and tried and failed until they didn't.

Most of the 'standard fits' for most ships you see or read about were made by trial and error and the best kept going. Most of the time the devil is in the details which you can see in fitting tools and such but on paper they don't always make sense at first until you try it and see for yourself.

I saw a lot of people struggleing with how to fit a ship, so I made this writeup here on the front page knowing most of them and how they would work.

So the short answer is yes, those are no-bainers and for good reason.


Speaking of trollfits, those standard fits I was talking about are of course not the law and you can still take a Rokh and mine with her if you want or fit small beam lasers or medium neutron blasters on the same ship.

What you want to do is always up to you but in pvp you want most of what can go wrong covered.

Not sure what would you expect to hear. There are fits considered as "classic" for a reason those had proven themselves 100% effective and workwble in a specific applications and we call them doctrine fits. As well as there are a lot of lets call them experimental fits which still workable but with somm exceptions. E.g. your wife asked you to put a family pic onto the wall in your dinning room. You could take a nail and a hammer or you could use a screwdriver and the screw. Both workable.

Well, you can't make a stupid fit that is also useful. By, well, definition of being useful.

There are fits that would probably seem a bit off at the first glance, but they are pretty much the opposite of stupid - much thought was put into how and why.

AAR tracklink scimi (nice solo logi for small turret gangs that tanks surprisingly well).
CCC pvp drakes (permadrakes).
A propless flux coil vaga for undock games that refuses to be capped out (I think the original one I've seen had a low cap officer shield booster, and it would take 2 seconds from zero cap to enough to run a booster cycle).
Rocket bombers for catching exploration frigs.
Triple tanked comets.
Arty abaddons (tank + alpha for soul crushing lag and sticky turrets).

Lussy Lou once used a shield nano apoc to make his small gang look like a kitchensink bunch of retards (apoc and a solo basi lol).

IIRC, Kadesh once told a story about him and friends stalking a particulary paranoid WH corp that always had some ship (don't remember what exactly) hanging outside POS shield. It would always pos up just in time, so the guys devised a targeting system stabilized(!) daredevil (90% webs) with the shortest recalibration cloak (I think you can get 5,5 cloak recalibration with cloaking 5, 3 T2 recalibration rigs and a syndicate cloak) and burned at the prey cloaked from outside the pos grid.

Genuinely stupid fits usually result from the lack of knowledge of game mechanics or overlooking some critical points.
Think shield booster with cap relays, cap stability above all (or the opposite - disregarding glaring cap difficulties), wrong sized tank mods (I'm looking at you, small shield extender), critical propulsion failure (slow short range AB ships that can't possibly get on top of their intended targets), badly mixed tanks (as opposed to properly mixed tanks, so the line is blurry here) or generally ships that try to be decent at everything and end up being good for nothing.

Here, have a stupid fit https://zkillboard.com/kill/48239628/

Every slot is available, viable fits exist outside the margin in some use cases. The Rokh as a smartbombing ship, for example, is not fit anything like the bog standard fleet rail rokh. Really, the damage control is the only actual "this pretty much goes regardless of what you're doing," module and even there are many carebear fits that don't utilize one so even there you have exceptions.

Weapons of a certain kind, damage upgrades, webs and so forth, I would not say are standardized. Many ships forgo the traditional weapon system for neuts or projectiles. Webs are only really standard on a ship that intends to brawl. Some kind of warp disruption is par for the course more often than not, but there again, many support ships don't have one and still engage in pvp.

So at the macro-level the cookie can't be cut quite as neatly as you think. At the micro level, each ship has fits that have been refined for years in the meta they came out of. Most fits these days are still coming from older paradigms so there may actually be room for improvement since the target profile of your average lowsec/nullsec roam is changing somewhat.

Oh you got me wrong, what I meant was that you can fit small beam lasers and dismantle a small gang in a lowsec system at a gate, they will be happy to engage and up for a nasty surprise.

You may not get bonusses for small beams but you put 2x heat sinks on and have 8 turrets slots - or in better words a very tanky Coercer that can take gate guns.
You will hit frigates just fine and still be able to kill cruisers, just not as fast.

Or you put the aforementioned medium neutron blasters and 2x webs on which will murder any cruiser just fine. With Void M you will still do about 800 deeps without the turret bonus.

Back in the day I saw Rokhs with 4x torpedo launchers on them and 4x heavy neuts but we didn't have ancillery troll-shield boosters back then, so that might work well too.

There is no rule that you HAVE to put the guns on a ship you have bonusses for. Blaster Maller anyone??

I think I get what you mean - there was an interview with CCP a while back where teh CCP employee mentioned that EVE is awesome partially because there is a counter to everything since each ship can be fitted in many ways.
Which is moot, because each ship has a cookie cutter fit that is min-maxed and you'd be dumb to do anything else to it. Learned it the hard way when I fit TPs to slashers to counteract my own angular speed (ACs don't track for **** despite what everyone says). Or a double active one (just hit "keep at range" and sig tank is bork).
It's consequence of hard-counters TBH. Modules are binary, effect is great. Webs reduce speed by 60%. WTF?

Combat is archaic in this game.