EVE New Citizens Q&A

My advice, put on two mining lasers, a survey scanner and a mining laser upgrade. Also throw two mining drone's into your drone bay. Total cost should be less than 300K isk, ship included. A bit of time spent in 1.0-0.8 sec space mining belts should easily afford you a replacement if something happens your first.

You could also shield tank your venture, but I dunno fitting (pg/cpu) costs of doing so. Or the point, really, except if you're doing lower sec mining and have to deal with rats. If another player is going to blow you up, I don't think any tank you can fit onto a Venture is going to be much help.

I was already in barges before Ventures were released though, so maybe someone who flies one might have better advice.

Finn.

^This is the best way to go, OP, imo.

Every starter system has anomalies called asteroid belt remnants that can be found using your probe scanner. These are specifically designed for Venture mining by new players. Use the free venture and fittings received in the career missions. There are no rats in these belts so no combat drones required. http://community.eveonline.com/releases/proteus/

Normal belts in 1.0 systems and (I think 0.9) are also free of rats.

Don't forget the venture can also be equipped with gas mining lasers

so c1 & c2 wormholes are also an option for somewhere to be

gas harvesting skillbook alone is around 25m so pretty out of reach to a new character.

Plus the gas in lower class wormholes is pretty awful, add in the time to scan the sites and potential deaths it's just not worth it.

Once you've got a better grasp on the game and have some decent scanning skills, that's the time to go c5/6 gas hunting.

20 minutes in an instrumental with a venture on max gas skills will net you over 50m if you're sucking c320

Again, thanks for all the replies. I have a ton of questions but I'm about 4 days in the game now so . . . of course. It sounds like gas mining is out for some time. I have been mining in high sec the last day or so (.6 or .7 areas) but it seems no difference (in terms of ore) than the .8 or .9 areas. I have x2 hobgoglins right now that easily take care of any rats (with minimal damage done to me), so I am inclined to replace one with a mining drone. I assume that 2x hobgoblins would be as useless against gankers as 1x hobgoblin (i.e., if someone wants to gank there is probably not a lot I can do in this ship so it is a risk of undocking at this point).

The EVE Uni fit includes a survey scanner (which I have not fitted). Is there any reason for me to equip a survey scanner at the level of mining I'm doing. Right now I just head out to a belt and look for whatever ore is selling the best on any given day. My Venture fills up pretty quickly (usually 1 or 2 rocks) and then I head back and sell it. I'm just now sure that, at least for now, a survey scanner is necessary (given my still quite limited isk and everything else I could spend it on).

Also, the Eve Uni fit includes a salvager. I have essentially the same question - is it necessary (assume I am not going to ninja loot)? Is salvaging wrecks in high sec a way to make a reasonable return in terms of isk? Am I missing something here?

I just hate having empty slots.

Salvager is there because what else you gonna do as you wait for your miners to cycle? :) it's what's called a 'utility high' so put whatever there, someday when you are gas mining you can have a core probe launcher instead for example.

Gankers got juicier targets than you. Unless you're mining in lowsec. Then any kill mail is better than none. Survey Scanner is nifty but not required I guess.

gas in high sec is far and few between and also useless

[quote=Dylan Finch I am inclined to replace one with a mining drone. I assume that 2x hobgoblins would be as useless against gankers as 1x hobgoblin (i.e., if someone wants to gank there is probably not a lot I can do in this ship so it is a risk of undocking at this point).

The EVE Uni fit includes a survey scanner (which I have not fitted). Is there any reason for me to equip a survey scanner at the level of mining I'm doing. a survey scanner is necessary (given my still quite limited isk and everything else I could spend it on).

Also, the Eve Uni fit includes a salvager. I have essentially the same question - is it necessary (assume I am not going to ninja loot)? Is salvaging wrecks in high sec a way to make a reasonable return in terms of isk? Am I missing something here?[/quote]

Yes, I believe one combat drone is enough. Ganking can be avoided by flying cheap ships and watching local chat window for any yellow or red players. Also you have almost zero chance to get your venture get ganked in systems like Boillair. Because no newbee ganker will go there and pro gankers hunting exhumers, not bonused warp core stable frigates like yours. Also try to chat with ppl there. You can find your team, your home... But you will spend much time flying back to Ardene to unload your cargo. Kryos and can mining can be some help here.

Survey scanner is crucial for minig barges because they will waiste 3 minutes of laser time if choosen wrong rock. Many good rocks in a belt in active system will be mined almost out (pro miner in barge will switch to the next rock, when he sees, that there is not much ore left) and survey scanner will help you avoid such almost empty asteroids. Its meta version is very cheap, btw.

Salvager in calm high sec is useless, IMHO. small wrecks hardly give you any salvage, worth flying away from rocks. Your lasers have only 16 km range and wrecks are often just a bit further away. Put a small tractor unit there instead. ;)

But what I really find interesting solution for a utility slot in venture is a probe launcher. Many times you will see wormhole signatures in there and even C1 WH will have Arkonor and even Bistot...

This fit:

[Venture, high sec newbie]
Mining Laser Upgrade I

1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender

EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser
EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I

Hobgoblin I x1 // Mining Drone I x1 if you are going to dive into wormhole
Mining Drone I x1


Will allow you to fill up your cargohold in 14 minutes. On 15-th minute NPC rat will spawn in the wormhole belt. It will be time to warp away. You scan during your high sec mining, bookmark all WH entries and start cheking them. You have no chance angainst NPC in WH belt even with two T2 combat drones so run away as soon as you see anything red around you. Two rigs you see in this fit will let you warp away in less then 4 seconds. Which is also big help if you will be ganked by not cloaked ship there. But even if you will get ganked by let say astero - you still have chance cause of your ship bonus (+2 warp core strength). It will be even better if you fit warp core stabilizer in low slot, but then you will lose ability to fill your 5000 m3 in less, then 15 minutes. After your skills will let you work this quick - you can replace Mining Laser Upgrade I with warp core stab.

Just on ganking. My alliance tag will indicate I know something about the subject.

We often train up new gankers by having them target Ventures (something they can kill), so you aren't safe based on flying a cheap ship alone. And we will hit Procurers to make a point now and again (this reminds me, I own a couple of dozen Skiffs at the moment, so I should probably organise a Skiff Hunt Sunday to drive up demand, then sell into the demand spike)

Diligence is your best option to avoid accidents. Watch your surroundings. If something is suspicious - assume you are about to be attacked and react accordingly. Your directional scanner (Alt+D) is your friend as it gives you the means to see suspicious ships well in advance of them attacking you.

The best way to learn how not to be ganked is to carry out a few ganks yourself and learn our tricks, then develop strategies to counter them.