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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#101 - 2015-08-06 15:35:35 UTC
There was no criminal flagging with the loot spew mechanic, it was whoever grabbed the pinata candy first after it exploded got the sweets free and clear.

Even without a competitor there it was way too twitchy and frustrating and you missed most of the loot.

The only thing that's changed is there is no spew. The competition is on the hacking itself if you get there in time before the other guy.

Good riddance to that annoying space pinata mechanic.
P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#102 - 2015-08-06 15:36:14 UTC
Better yet ... mind your own business and stay in Null. 'We' High SEC players are doing very well thank you very much.
Salvos Rhoska
#103 - 2015-08-06 18:18:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Welll, thread dead.

As it stands, HS data sites are about 1 mil/can + BPs.
Its enough to keep em interested and get some bankroll.

HS relic sites however, did the dodo.

Its good, safe experience for new players to tune their probing, skill up and learn abit about builds before they venture further out.
Also helps clear out data sites off my sig list for combat sigs so Im happy for that.
Always a silver lining, my friends.

I just think it could be a bit better, but its not exactly a priority.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#104 - 2015-08-06 20:52:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Cypherous wrote:
You know where this is going :P

Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites where more competetive?
What does that have to do with anything he said?

Really, I have to ask, what is it with your fascination to ask completely unrelated and tangential questions to people who aren't discussing the same thing you are? Why do you feel this constant need to drag the conversation off topic?



He said "EXACTLY" what I was thinking. So **** off.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#105 - 2015-08-06 21:03:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Hal Morsh wrote:
He said "EXACTLY" what I was thinking. So **** off.
Non sequitur. You weren't even part of the conversation, so why should I **** off for asking about the lack of connection between what Cypherous and Salvos said? In fact, your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in the context of that quote. What the hell are you even on about?!

Oh, and if you were thinking about making the sites more competitive, why didn't you latch on to that when it was brought up and instead kept harping on about the unrelated s-flagging? Hell, you explicitly, aggressively, and immediately dismissed this aspect when it was first brought up. Why the sudden change of hearts? Could it be that your initial idea was so thoroughly dismantled that you now have to try to hide behind the non-argument someone else brought up… hmm?
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#106 - 2015-08-06 21:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Tippia wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
He said "EXACTLY" what I was thinking. So **** off.
Non sequitur. You weren't even part of the conversation, so why should I **** off for asking about the lack of connection between what Cypherous and Salvos said? In fact, your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in the context of that quote. What the hell are you even on about?!

Oh, and if you were thinking about making the sites more competitive, why didn't you latch on to that when it was brought up and instead kept harping on about the unrelated s-flagging? Hell, you explicitly, aggressively, and immediately dismissed this aspect when it was first brought up. Why the sudden change of hearts? Could it be that your initial idea was so thoroughly dismantled that you now have to try to hide behind the non-argument someone else brought up… hmm?


Quoting it in case you change it

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#107 - 2015-08-06 21:09:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Tippia wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
You dont have the authority to delineate what is ontopic and what isnt.
Yes I do, by virtue of being able to read what the OP — the one who created the topic — says the topic is. It's not what you want it to be, which is why I'm suggesting that maybe a new thread on your preferred topic is in order. We've even tried to suggest this to the OP, but he just goes back to wanting to talk about his precious theft-triggered S-flags.


Tippia wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:

Trying to derail the topic and point it towards me by repeatedly throwing your opinion at "suspect flag ineptitude" means I am done with talking to you.

No. Trying to make you understand what it is you're talking about. Without such an understanding, you don't even know what the rails in question look like.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#108 - 2015-08-06 21:10:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Hal Morsh wrote:
Cry

No, really, why the change of hearts? Use your words, not your tearful blubbering.

Quote:
Better quote it before you change it.
Sorry, what you said was already quoted and changing it won't help you now.
Now, could you answer the question?
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#109 - 2015-08-06 21:18:14 UTC


Tippia wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Whats wrong with asking an interested party:

"Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites where more competetive?"
It's off-topic.

Now, I understand that you really want to discuss the structure, nature, and means of competition in highsec exploration, and that's an interesting topic, but it's a topic for a different thread. Maybe you should start one.



Hal Morsh wrote:
Stop making highsec safer in the dumbest of ways. When exploration GETS crowded, fighting between each other for the loot is one way to take care of things, but uhm no.... We can't.



It was always about competition in highsec exploration.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#110 - 2015-08-06 21:25:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Hal Morsh wrote:
It was always about competition in highsec exploration.

So why did you explicitly, aggressively, and immediately dismiss this aspect when it was first brought up?
Why were you so hung up on the unrelated s-flagging?
Why was you only mention of competition a claim that wasn't even true to begin with (and instead a repetition of the focus on s-flagging)?
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#111 - 2015-08-06 21:36:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
Tippia wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
It was always about competition in highsec exploration.

So why did you explicitly, aggressively, and immediately dismissed this aspect when it was first brought up?



Are you going to keep spinning the merry go round?


Hal Morsh wrote:
You either commit an act that gets you indefinitely Concorded or nothing at all.


S-flagging relates to combat in exploration. That S-flagging theft was something you could do when loot spew existed.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#112 - 2015-08-06 21:37:09 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Are you going to keep spinning the merry go round?

Are you going to answer the question?
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#113 - 2015-08-06 21:43:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Hal Morsh
When someone hacked a container, anyone waiting around in the site could nab loot and go suspect like looting ship wrecks. Then creating content if someone took action against him, and either the theif or the hacker has come prepared to explode the other. Of course the hacker has to initiate combat against the theif but that isn't to say the theif isn't prepared to fight back. it's an either/or situation.



My main issue is why did CCP remove it? I liked the idea.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#114 - 2015-08-06 21:50:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Hal Morsh wrote:
When someone hacked a container, anyone waiting around in the site could nab loot and go suspect like looting ship wrecks. Then creating content if someone took action against him, and either the theif or the hacker has come prepared to explode the other. Of course the hacker has to initiate combat against the theif but that isn't to say the theif isn't prepared to fight back. it's an either/or situation.

I'm sorry, I thought the thread was about competition in the site, not s-flagging. Are you changing your mind again?

If we're back to the whole theft bit, could you instead answer the question of why this harvesting should differ so drastically from the other types? Why isn't the existing content of the type you're asking for sufficient — why do things have to be changed to be entirely in your favour?

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My main issue is why did CCP remove it?
This has already been answered: because it was inconsistent, unnecessary, and ultimately failed to serve its purpose.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#115 - 2015-08-06 22:00:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:

I'm sorry, I thought the thread was about competition in the site, not s-flagging. Are you changing your mind again?

If we're back to the whole theft bit, could you instead answer the question of why this harvesting should differ so drastically from the other types? Why isn't the existing content of the type you're asking for sufficient — why do things have to be changed to be entirely in your favour?


It's about competition and s-flagging combat at the same time.

Read this

http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=129&t=67703#p594687



So if it's all about being in "my" favor. Am I the loki? Or the Heron?

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#116 - 2015-08-06 22:15:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Hal Morsh wrote:
It's about competition and s-flagging combat at the same time.
So why are you only focusing on one of those two? The one that makes the least sense?

Quote:
So if it's all about being in "my" favor. Am I the loki? Or the Heron?
No “if”. It is in your favour per your previous examples (where you took on the role of the heron in that thread… or are you changing your mind about that too?). I'm guessing you've not read up on how s-flagging works yet since you still don't understand the blatantly obvious advantage you're asking for in those situations?
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#117 - 2015-08-06 22:22:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
It's about competition and s-flagging combat at the same time.
So why are you only focusing on one of those two? The one that makes the least sense?

Quote:
So if it's all about being in "my" favor. Am I the loki? Or the Heron?
No “if”. It is in your favour per your previous examples (where you took on the role of the heron in that thread… or are you changing your mind about that too?). I'm guessing you've not read up on how s-flagging works yet since you still don't understand the blatantly obvious advantage you're asking for in those situations?



It wasn't me in that thread I googled it, and why is the heron in favor?

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#118 - 2015-08-06 22:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Hal Morsh wrote:
It wasn't me in that thread I googled it
Like I said: per your previous examples, you took on the role of the heron in that thread.

Quote:
why is the heron in favor?
Because that's how s-flagging works. That's why I've been imploring you to read up on the mechanic before you make suggestions centred around it.

In short: you are not asking for competition. You are asking for a baiting mechanic — one where everything is stacked in your favour. If that's not what your intent is, then your request is pointless because what you want is already in the game.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#119 - 2015-08-06 22:34:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:
It wasn't me in that thread I googled it
Like I said: per your previous examples, you took on the role of the heron in that thread.

I havn't said which role I took, you assumed, and you still havn't told me which I am yet.

Quote:
why is the heron in favor?
Because that's how s-flagging works. That's why I've been imploring you to read up on the mechanic before you make suggestions centred around it.



Okay, I know the mechanic, you are saying the Heron is in favor, why? You don't explain the mechanic at all, you just assumed the heron won the argument. Do I have to explain the aggression flags, so you can't explain why but just tell me I don't know again?

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#120 - 2015-08-06 22:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Hal Morsh wrote:
I havn't said which role I took
Yes you did. Many, many times over.
Also, please don't break quotes like that.

Quote:
Okay, I know the mechanic
No. I say this with confidence because…
Quote:
you are saying the Heron is in favor, why?
…you keep asking this question, even though it is a direct consequence of how the mechanic works. It is particularly evident in relation to the option you keep refusing to use: the engage in and with the same content and activities in the situations where they already work the way you want them to work.

I don't explain the mechanic because I want you to look it up and demonstrate a sliver of ability to read, understand, and learn. As long as you keep insisting that you do know how it works, I will definitely not explain it to you, but rather keep ribbing you when you immediately afterwards demonstrate such confusion about a very fundamental part of it all.