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Declare War from EVE Gate

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#1 - 2015-08-03 13:40:50 UTC
EVE Gate is great, we all love it but it doesn't have super loads of functionality.

I would like to see added the ability to declare war from EVE gate so when I get mails telling me I need to declare wars I can do so conveniently from my cell phone.

Thanks in advance.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-08-03 13:46:57 UTC
Wouldn't that cause issues with wallet access?

Not saying the idea is bad, just not sure it's doable (or a good plan) to expose the wallet interactions to out of game client methods.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
Lost Obsession
#3 - 2015-08-03 14:43:36 UTC
I like the fact that if you can't be bothered to log in you can't do more than read and send mail.

Not supported.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#4 - 2015-08-03 16:04:18 UTC
It's often not so much an issue of being bothered to log in as much as it is being in a physical position to be able to. It's entirely common for us to receive mails from clients while we are at work and are able to answer them while on lunch or whatever, but can't actually press any buttons, confirm payments or otherwise perform small administrative actions that would be completely trivial if a client was available.

A corporation management app would also be a good solution.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#5 - 2015-08-03 17:38:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Agondray
not just no but NO

you want to declare and fight wars log in not "oh im far to busy to keep trolldecing you by logging in and play station games with you, so I want to war dec from my phone so my guys can play station games with you"

oh hey I just invented a new word. the word of the day is now "Trolldecing"

P.S. you can make directors for a reason, rather they steal all of your crap and dissolve your corporation is a personal problem of choosing the right person to trust.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#6 - 2015-08-03 18:22:27 UTC
Agondray wrote:
not just no but NO

you want to declare and fight wars log in not "oh im far to busy to keep trolldecing you by logging in and play station games with you, so I want to war dec from my phone so my guys can play station games with you"

oh hey I just invented a new word. the word of the day is now "Trolldecing"

P.S. you can make directors for a reason, rather they steal all of your crap and dissolve your corporation is a personal problem of choosing the right person to trust.

You sound extremely upset. Was it something specific or do you approach everything regarding wars with the same level of butthurt?
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-08-03 18:50:40 UTC
I am going to say no, because you should be patient enough to do so when you get home.
Are you on a vacation and your fellow members doesn't have rank to declare war? Too bad.

Besides making problems with the wallet and everything. I imagine this being abused.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#8 - 2015-08-03 19:31:14 UTC
Oooh, a rare sighting in F&I of the lesser spotted good idea. \o/

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#9 - 2015-08-03 22:22:13 UTC
I'd also like the ability to put a bounty on someone from EVE Gate.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#10 - 2015-08-04 02:04:33 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
You sound extremely upset. Was it something specific or do you approach everything regarding wars with the same level of butthurt?


So as not to suffer the same fate.

May I humbly suggest that your idea like so many before it are lacking in certain areas so I to would have to give this one a -1.

I am fine with programs like EvE Gate that allow you to check on the status of things in game from where ever you are and from what ever you have available to check them on.

However to actually interact with the game and perform any actions you must be logged in and it should always be that way.
And yes this applies to EVERYTHING in the game and not just war decs.

So in conclusion NO to your idea and any other idea that allows a player to interact with the game without logging in.


Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#11 - 2015-08-04 02:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Donnachadh wrote:
I am fine with programs like EvE Gate that allow you to check on the status of things in game from where ever you are and from what ever you have available to check them on.

However to actually interact with the game and perform any actions you must be logged in and it should always be that way.
And yes this applies to EVERYTHING in the game and not just war decs.


I understand that many people feel this way and that CCP have thus far been generally reluctant to have external programs, even ones they own and are the distributors of affect EVE, but I just don't share the sentiment. Particularly for things that don't even require you to undock or interact with anything other than drop down boxes in the corporation UI.

I'm not entirely sure why people think it's so important that things other than the EVE client itself not be able to affect EVE either, I've never seen a convincing reason.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#12 - 2015-08-04 03:17:32 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Wouldn't that cause issues with wallet access?

EVE gate already handles CSPA charges, which are a payment to an NPC entity. In this case it would be the same, except with the corp wallet being used instead of a personal wallet.
Specia1 K
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-08-04 06:25:19 UTC
No.

Next will be market access, industry slots, research slots...
Why bother even log in at all?

Appoint a director to do your corp work. Or wait until you can log into the client.

Champion of the Knights of the General Discussion

Thunderdome

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2015-08-04 06:34:40 UTC
Specia1 K wrote:

Next will be market access, industry slots, research slots...


Except the EVE Gate can't already do those things.

It already can accept monetary transactions and payments though, you know, since it can make you pay CSPA charges.

It already has the functionality, so I'd say it should be used.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Specia1 K
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-08-04 06:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Specia1 K
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Specia1 K wrote:

Next will be market access, industry slots, research slots...


Except the EVE Gate can't already do those things.

It already can accept monetary transactions and payments though, you know, since it can make you pay CSPA charges.

It already has the functionality, so I'd say it should be used.


Can you access a corp wallet?
Ah, no. Try again.
This is a can of worms idea.

Appoint a director.

Champion of the Knights of the General Discussion

Thunderdome

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#16 - 2015-08-04 08:00:06 UTC
Specia1 K wrote:

Can you access a corp wallet?


How would you know? What we know is that the EVE Gate does have the ability to access personal wallets. The OP is asking for that functionality to be explored.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Specia1 K
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-08-04 13:46:06 UTC
Ipse dixit?

Let's see...
"Character Profile, Contacts and Mail".
I don't see Corporation Management in the description for Eve Gate.
It's a mail client.

CSPA is an anti-spam measure and does not relate to the idea presented.
Perhaps asking CCP to create an offline Corp Management tool would be better.

Or just appoint a director.

Champion of the Knights of the General Discussion

Thunderdome

Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#18 - 2015-08-04 13:58:46 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I'm not entirely sure why people think it's so important that things other than the EVE client itself not be able to affect EVE either, I've never seen a convincing reason.

A fair question and I will not pretend to answer it for anyone else, but I will give you my reasons.

Features like this are always a slippery slope and over the years I have seen this in many other areas of my online activities. It starts out with one simple idea and that sets a precedent that others can, do and will use to pressure CCP to allow for many other abilities to be included in EvE Gate. To put this another way if CCP allows you to declare war through EvE Gate what logic / reasons do they have left to deny people the ability to do market trading, research, manufacturing and the list goes on.

Specifically to a war dec, while you may consider it a trivial thing I assure you that view point is not shared by all members of this gaming community and many would consider it insulting at a personal level for you to have this ability. Remember we are dealing with a world wide community and the impacts at a personal level will change radically depending on the culture you were raised in and for this reason alone I would say no to your idea. Setting that aside a war dec is one of the most direct ways that you and your corp can influence and affect the game play of other players and personally I believe that it should require your presence in the game to do this.

To touch on market trading and all other manor of sitting in a station ideas I believe that CCP needs to find a way of curtailing those activities or at the least finding a way that requires these players to get out into space for at least a part of the time they are logged in. While many may applaud this idea as a means of providing more targets to shoot I have a far different reason. In my experience players are far more likely to respond when you attempt to converse with them in local chat if they are out in space and those contacts are always a good thing, how else does one get to know your neighbors in space?

CCP may have a far different idea on this than I do and we will see how it all goes over time.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#19 - 2015-08-04 14:00:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD FlowingSpice
Specia1 K wrote:

It's a mail client.


Then why does it have the ability to take my money?

It's not just a mail client. It has that functionality. -snip-

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Specia1 K
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-08-04 14:03:20 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Specia1 K wrote:

It's a mail client.


Then why does it have the ability to take my money?

It's not just a mail client. It has that functionality. Now either quit picking nits and discuss the topic, or shut up entirely.


reported.

Champion of the Knights of the General Discussion

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