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Where's my fuel block switch date, Lebowski? [e: Jan 24th]

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Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2011-12-08 14:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kismeteer
It would be really nice to know when ENERGON CUBES are going live.

So, where's my fuel block switch date, Lebowski? Your rug is looking a little dry there.

Edit: Nothing like changing your deadline, 4 days before the deadline is due: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=492284

Jan 24th. Once again, the rewards go to the procrastinators, not the prepared. Time to empty hundreds of towers again. welp.
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2011-12-08 14:41:54 UTC
Just for reference:

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3029

Quote:
The way we're going to roll this out is that the blocks, their blueprints and the changes to tower capacities will be introduced in the main patch. The changes to fuel consumption on the towers will be rolled out a couple of weeks later. The starbase system doesn't allow for multiple simultaneous fuel types, so we have to switch from one to the other during downtime.


http://www.eveonline.com/pressreleases/default.asp?pressReleaseID=74

Crucible goes live Nov 30th.

'couple of weeks' = December 14th

Anyone who runs a pos really needs this date to make sure demands are met.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2011-12-08 18:19:44 UTC
I just filled the POSes half-and-half. That's about 16 days of both.
Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#4 - 2011-12-08 20:20:35 UTC
I'll just put in a petition. That will fix the problems. :D

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Taedrin
Virtues Corporation
#5 - 2011-12-08 20:26:53 UTC
I, too, would also like to know this information. Of course, perhaps we should be asking in General Discussion, where we will have maximum visibility. CCP doesn't post often in here.
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2011-12-08 20:30:37 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
I, too, would also like to know this information. Of course, perhaps we should be asking in General Discussion, where we will have maximum visibility. CCP doesn't post often in here.


Yeah I figured I'd post it here, where it belongs. I am hoping that CCP realizes that one day notification of patches is not sufficient to change the fuel levels on several hundred towers.
Lili Lu
#7 - 2011-12-08 22:58:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
I would be highly surprised if this switchover is not very visibly advertised for at least a week beforehand. I do not think CCP wants to deal with well over 9000 petitions when people logoff whatever night and find their shiny pos either dead and gone or offline the next day at logon.

This leads me to believe that even though they said the switch would occur two weeks later, we may not see it for even a couple more weeks, or after the holidays.

But of course I could be wrong and they want all those petitions P
Brock Nelson
#8 - 2011-12-09 02:07:34 UTC
respect the rug bro

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#9 - 2011-12-09 02:18:51 UTC
Kismeteer wrote:
Anyone who runs a pos really needs this date to make sure demands are met.



It's a sign of the apocalypse. I just agreed with a goon.

Mitt-head will undoubtedly find it highly amusing, now that I've sundered the 2nd seal.
Tekota
The Freighter Factory
#10 - 2011-12-09 05:43:21 UTC
Brock Nelson wrote:
respect the rug bro


It really ties the room together
Alisarina
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2011-12-09 06:36:03 UTC
Tekota wrote:
Brock Nelson wrote:
respect the rug bro


It really ties the room together



Just don't look under it...it;s where the bodies are kept.
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2011-12-09 14:39:18 UTC
Alisarina wrote:
Tekota wrote:

It really ties the room together


Just don't look under it...it;s where the bodies are kept.


Please go watch The Big Lebowski right now. We'll wait.

Also, CCP, any word on a date? Is it next week as the devblog implies or is it the week afterwards?
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-12-09 14:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu
They just posted it.

January 24th.

Time to stock up for another 6 weeks of old style fuel and no hurry with the blocks.

Edit: Here... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=492083#post49208
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2011-12-09 15:05:55 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
January 24th.

Time to stock up for another 6 weeks of old style fuel and no hurry with the blocks.


'no hurry'. We already had like over 50% of our POS's in a half and half configuration, now to maintain that or back it out.

Would have been nice of them to tell us in here instead of general but oh well.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#15 - 2011-12-09 15:12:14 UTC
Kismeteer wrote:


'no hurry'. We already had like over 50% of our POS's in a half and half configuration, now to maintain that or back it out.


I'd go with "maintain" - the towers all got larger fuel bays, so you can just fill up the new excess space with fuel blocks in anticipation of the Jan 24th change. Then continue to fuel as normal until then.
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2011-12-09 15:22:29 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
I'd go with "maintain" - the towers all got larger fuel bays, so you can just fill up the new excess space with fuel blocks in anticipation of the Jan 24th change. Then continue to fuel as normal until then.


Except that a non-sov pos can only hold 6 days energon cubes. Which might not be enough time if CCP has a crashy server and I have to visit several hundred pos's in that time frame.

Hey, I like the longer time. I just hate the timeframe in which they told us.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-12-09 15:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu
Kismeteer wrote:
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
I'd go with "maintain" - the towers all got larger fuel bays, so you can just fill up the new excess space with fuel blocks in anticipation of the Jan 24th change. Then continue to fuel as normal until then.


Except that a non-sov pos can only hold 6 days energon cubes. Which might not be enough time if CCP has a crashy server and I have to visit several hundred pos's in that time frame.

Hey, I like the longer time. I just hate the timeframe in which they told us.


What are you babbling about?

Non-sov POS can hold more fuel than non-sov POS could before Crucible hit. Almost a month, if I'm not mistaken.

Large POS, 40 blocks per hour, 960 blocks per day. 5m3 per block. 4800m3 per day. Capacity of large tower is 140 000m3, so slightly over 29 days of fuel.

You can hold 15 days of old fuel and 15 days of cubes starting, say, Jan 11th or thereabouts and you should be just fine.
Kismeteer
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2011-12-09 16:01:52 UTC
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:
[quote=Kismeteer][quote=Scrapyard Bob]You can hold 15 days of old fuel and 15 days of cubes starting, say, Jan 11th or thereabouts and you should be just fine.


Using the old fuel size, it is 21 days with any heavy PG/CPU usage. And the 6 days is assuming you're using the 30k bonus they gave us on large pos's. So, I can do 21 days old plus 6 days new, and then have to refill twice between now and the patch roll over, plus assume the server is usable within a week of the patch. Or they could have been swapped before then, and I'm on a 29 cycle total.

Just double the fueling, NBD. And a lot of math for a patch to help people who don't know how to do math.
Lili Lu
#19 - 2011-12-09 19:04:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Lili Lu wrote:
I would be highly surprised if this switchover is not very visibly advertised for at least a week beforehand. I do not think CCP wants to deal with well over 9000 petitions when people logoff whatever night and find their shiny pos either dead and gone or offline the next day at logon.

This leads me to believe that even though they said the switch would occur two weeks later, we may not see it for even a couple more weeks, or after the holidays.

But of course I could be wrong and they want all those petitions P

Called it Bear Well, except for grossly underestimating the lead time Lol

Jan 24th? What? A bit long of a wait. But, wow look at all the people complaining in the feedback thread that they had already converted most their fuel. It's not like they couldn't have converted a week(s) or so and then once the announced date became known go into production some time before then.
Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2011-12-09 20:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Fuujin
Lili Lu wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
I would be highly surprised if this switchover is not very visibly advertised for at least a week beforehand. I do not think CCP wants to deal with well over 9000 petitions when people logoff whatever night and find their shiny pos either dead and gone or offline the next day at logon.

This leads me to believe that even though they said the switch would occur two weeks later, we may not see it for even a couple more weeks, or after the holidays.

But of course I could be wrong and they want all those petitions P

Called it Bear Well, except for grossly underestimating the lead time Lol

Jan 24th? What? A bit long of a wait. But, wow look at all the people complaining in the feedback thread that they had already converted most their fuel. It's not like they couldn't have converted a week(s) or so and then once the announced date became known go into production some time before then.



It's far easier to "just convert a week" when you only run a handful of towers and can easily hit all of them in that week timeframe.

Try scaling up to a few dozen (let alone a few hundred) and then having to run out to each tower and pull out the old stuff and load up a full bay of the new stuff, within the few days of block fuel you had prepped...

And most of the complaining is due to CCP's poor messaging: the initial announcement gave the impression of a switchover within a few weeks--mid december. This made everyone do a crash program to research up block BPOs, secure manufacturing slots, plan fuelling, build the blocks, and then start prepping their towers with blocks so the transition would be as smooth as possible.

Now CCP is coming out with "did we say a few weeks? we meant a few months" and now you have to stop in your tracks and figure out the most graceful back-out plan while keeping things prepped for the delayed switchover. It's a major pain in the ass.

I understand their reasoning, but the timing and messaging was poorly thought out in advance--it's not like the holiday scheduling was an unknown in november.
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