Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hey OP,

Just put a sticky note onto your forehead - update your skills queue before log off! Problem solved.

Otherwise your thread considered as a sloppy joe trolling post.

this allows horridly adaptable characters, who just use their free sp to allocate into the FOTM ship - thereby removing more of EVE's consequences from EVE

I'll say this slowly and try to make it clear
EVE is a game of consequences.
skill training (or failing to) has consequences
like not being able to fly the FotM ship, and having to stick with your decision of a month or two ago (or perhaps longer, in my case)
by removing those consequences, you remove part of what makes EVE, well..... EVE

pick your ship - pick appropriate support skills - put them in the queue - then add a 12 day skill at the end (preferably one you think might come in handy). You can always keep pushing that 12d skill back and back, and if you don't come back for a day or a week, and it's half trained - well - power to the people and all that..

all of my skill queues are at least a month long atm, and most of those are only about 20 skills or so.
my main's queue is 185d long, and it's only half full...... (and this is AFTER training every racial cruiser and 3 BS's to V)
with the new skill queue - the only excuse for a skillqueue running out is that you've run out of things you want/need to train, which is not a particularly good one, since free medclones now.


overall: -1 undermines EVE's core values.

Removing attributes isn't a good idea (attribute implants, depends how you view it).

Removing attributes would result in no need to have a skill queue, so we end up back with gaining sp to use as you will, once you have enough. It will also result in a constant rate of accumulation of sp which is kind of boring.

Removing or adding something to a game should only happen to enhance the experience not just to fill a hole (in the case of adding), another words don't add something just for the sake of it.

If you removed attribute implants I wouldn't replace them with anything, just use the 5 hardwire slots that exist and just renumber them 1 - 5.

All the sets use the same implant slots as attribute implants, so there are still going to be 10 slots in use.

Also removing attributes does not remove the need for a skill queue. The skill queue is about making choices ahead of time as to what you will train towards. Attributes allow you to manipulate the rate at which you train. The two are different things and attributes actually serve to advantage the older players who are training alts vastly more than any new player, despite all the claims as to how it helps new players 'catch up'.

Removing the skill queue in favour of an SP pool removes the need to plan ahead and changes it to a reactive system 'Today I need to fly an Ishtar so I'll dump points into it since I have spare'.

Two very different things basically.
And removing attributes from the game does serve to enhance the game, as it removes a barrier for actual new pilots who are forced to train off map, as well as fight an unintuitive and poorly explained system. Training at the same pace is hardly 'boring' either. No more boring than our current training anyway.

Well, I for one plugged in my High Grade Snake set for the +4 attributes.

In the same way picking a fly out of your soup enhances the meal. The gameplay presented by attributes is easily solved at best (setting up +5s with a consistent plan & remap), and just annoying at worst (newbros constantly flipping skill types to cover all their core skills). You don't want to lose your implants because unlike ship related bonuses, that SP is just gone. You don't want to change directions with your character more than once a year because you can lose months of progression with an improper attribute map.

None of this is terribly difficult, it's just restrictive and frustrating.

And you know what they did with those skills, they deleted them because they were TERRIBLE.
And a whole lot of people did complain about them.
And amazingly basically none of us asking for attribute removal are asking for any way to grind SP, we want the exact system we have right now, just without manipulating the speed of training via attributes & implants, however if you really want to sink to inventing arguments we've never said..... go right ahead..

would your argument be made null and void if newbies were allowed to remap as often as they liked in the first year, and then 4 times in the second year, without using either of their bonus remaps?