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A solution to travel'ceptors, troll'ceptors and a slight buff to R&I
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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#1 - 2015-08-01 11:55:42 UTC
SO.
My idea is this:
strip the interceptor of its bubble immunity
new T2 destroyer (based off the second racial destroyers - algos, talwar, dragoon, corax) with bonuses to point range and cap use (but not as much as fleet 'ceptors), NO bonuses to range/dps small weapons (or drones) but perhaps application bonuses, no bonuses to webs, neut, ECM, damps, TD or TP, possible bonuses to resists/HP, but not active tanking..... give it immunity to bubbles, and balance it to ensure that it has about a 2s align time if you fit a full rack of nano's.

this allows current 'safe' (let's face it - it's mostly safe) nullsec travel to switch to the new desty, which is more likely to be caught by focussed points due to a slightly larger sig rad and slower align
losec and highsec travel'ceptors will remain, but I don't really see these as so much of an issue.....

fleet 'ceptors lose the niche of warping through bubbles to catch stuff to these new desties
fleet 'ceptors keep the whole 'chasing stuff down and pinning it niche that they currently occupy in losec

what have I missed and where have I gone wrong?

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#2 - 2015-08-01 12:02:19 UTC
One quick search (all I did was go to page 2) found me this thread.

We really don't need more.

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#3 - 2015-08-01 17:51:00 UTC
that doesn't help with travelceptors.....

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Madd Adda
#4 - 2015-08-01 20:12:34 UTC
can't you still point them? grab some insta lock ships and tackle them. Don't expect CCP to cater to your wants just because you relay on bubbles to do your work

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Nyalnara
Marauder Initiative
#5 - 2015-08-01 21:32:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyalnara
Madd Adda wrote:
can't you still point them? grab some insta lock ships and tackle them. Don't expect CCP to cater to your wants just because you relay on bubbles to do your work


That. You're a bad player if you can't point a ship with a 24km base long point. Or did you forgot about overheating?

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#6 - 2015-08-01 22:36:12 UTC
Nyalnara wrote:
Madd Adda wrote:
can't you still point them? grab some insta lock ships and tackle them. Don't expect CCP to cater to your wants just because you relay on bubbles to do your work


That. You're a bad player if you can't point a ship with a 24km base long point. Or did you forgot about overheating?


my issue isn't point range - it's lock time vs align time - I have yet (to date) to be caught in a travel 'ceptor fit, and I have used them, before some idiot asks, though not spectacularly often.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-08-02 00:00:30 UTC
Madd Adda wrote:
can't you still point them? grab some insta lock ships and tackle them. Don't expect CCP to cater to your wants just because you relay on bubbles to do your work



No, they warp off before it is possible to lock them.

Maybe, MAYBE, if you have three guys RSBing a keres, which is being flown by a guy in london on a massive amount of speed, you MIGHT be able to lock one.

But then you have a small gang with one purpose, useless for anything else, that can maybe catch one ship at a time if you're exceedingly lucky.
Madd Adda
#8 - 2015-08-02 01:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Madd Adda
Danika Princip wrote:
Madd Adda wrote:
can't you still point them? grab some insta lock ships and tackle them. Don't expect CCP to cater to your wants just because you relay on bubbles to do your work



No, they warp off before it is possible to lock them.

Maybe, MAYBE, if you have three guys RSBing a keres, which is being flown by a guy in london on a massive amount of speed, you MIGHT be able to lock one.

But then you have a small gang with one purpose, useless for anything else, that can maybe catch one ship at a time if you're exceedingly lucky.


then purpose nerfs to the agility/mass of interceptors. I get nothing should be absolutely safe, but there does need to be options for those that was to use ceptors to get around.

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#9 - 2015-08-02 19:54:03 UTC
Madd Adda wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Madd Adda wrote:
can't you still point them? grab some insta lock ships and tackle them. Don't expect CCP to cater to your wants just because you relay on bubbles to do your work



No, they warp off before it is possible to lock them.

Maybe, MAYBE, if you have three guys RSBing a keres, which is being flown by a guy in london on a massive amount of speed, you MIGHT be able to lock one.

But then you have a small gang with one purpose, useless for anything else, that can maybe catch one ship at a time if you're exceedingly lucky.


then purpose nerfs to the agility/mass of interceptors. I get nothing should be absolutely safe, but there does need to be options for those that was to use ceptors to get around.


nerfs to the agility of 'ceptors affect the combat performance.... which is something I was trying to avoid.....

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#10 - 2015-08-02 20:22:45 UTC
While we are at it, can CCP increase the mass on the Confessor a little more? I thought neutron stars have a ton of mass?

Oh wait, the Confessor was supposed to be a frigate class ship and not a neutron star.

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#11 - 2015-08-02 20:26:42 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
While we are at it, can CCP increase the mass on the Confessor a little more? I thought neutron stars have a ton of mass?

Oh wait, the Confessor was supposed to be a frigate class ship and not a neutron star.


the confessor is a T3 desty, get your facts right and try again

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