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[CVA-PIE] Amarr Coalition Forces Defeat Drifter Armada in Safizon

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Aeon Amadii
#61 - 2015-08-02 19:19:14 UTC
Kontrahage wrote:
Max Singularity wrote:
Burn Amarr... burn Amarr... that river is still flowing. I laugh, 'we' laugh.

No one died.

Not one baseliner died on record. There is note of one Capsuleer that decided to biomass himself because he felt he should be able to autopilot a freighter without checking news sources. Oh waaah, good ridden. More laughter.

No one died that had a choice.

Your crews are 'gamblers', mine have the option to bow out of any mission, yet they choose to gamble with their mortal lives. So be FREEDOM OF CHOICE.

No one died due to war.

War... CVA... nor not one Providence corps declared CONCORD SANCTIONED WAR against the 10 Imperium Alliances. CVA can brag Amarr Victory against the Drifters, but against Capsuleers they hid in their hangers.

No one died to simply being marked -10 kill on sight.

Your river of tears continues to flow, but yes, I am an insensitive bastard to those tears only because I honor our mortal crews freedom of choice to gamble with their lives as they deem. Stay docked up! Oh... wait.... you did. Galnet records show The Truth in this regard too.

Hypocrites. The river is running dry, cry some more.

/s/
Max Singularity VI


Does this sound like a madman's incoherent rambling to anybody else?


Without context, absolutely. But, you know, if he pays I'll fight his battles same as the next would-be king.

(This character is the Eve version of Aeon Amadi since there is no cross-forum support)

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#62 - 2015-08-02 19:21:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
The Golden Serpent wrote:

See this is why the Amarr people will never follow the false Emperor, cuz no matter how charming he is or how much he sweetalks us, its clear he rules over a society of snarky hateful racists way worse than any other culture in the whole high sec area.


Every day, I fly with capsuleers from every part of Highsec and beyond. Matari, Amarr, Gallente, Caldari, Ammatar, Intaki, Khanid, and on and on. They are my friends, my corpmates, my brethren-in-arms. While I may disagree with the political and theological beliefs of many of their home regions, that's not racism. It's not even bigotry, which I'm pretty sure is the term you were looking for there, since the last time I checked, 'High Sec' and 'Null Sec' aren't races. That's disagreement. If you're going to lecture people, use the right terminology, or you're going to have pedantic gits like myself taking you to task for being absolutely pathetic at it.

The Golden Serpent wrote:

You all are really nasty people and you only want Amarr cuz Null Sec has

a. No good restaurants.


You've never stopped in at the YA0 Shwarma Shaq.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#63 - 2015-08-02 19:30:41 UTC
Kontrahage wrote:
Perhaps the lord Cardinal's suspicions are not as baselss as your henchmen would have us believe.


Excuse me, I do not 'hench', and you have the gender wrong.

Nor have I said Cardinal Dex's speculation is impossible, but rather have urged caution when there's no hard evidence. For all we can disprove, all of CONCORD is actually the Drifters' front in New Eden.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#64 - 2015-08-02 20:55:09 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Kill reports show that no House Singularity ships were lost at any point during the Safizon attack.


Do you even Galnet Bro?


Yes, I do. I checked killboards directly before making that post. The most recent loss reported was Meridian's omen in Naguton on the first of August. Prior to that are the losses of a capsule and algos in Agoze, on July 31st.

There were no reported losses in Safizon to drifters, or any other individual, by ships of House Singularity.

I, for one, would not have been opposed to including credit to House Singularity had there been reports that verified its participation.
Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#65 - 2015-08-03 00:05:32 UTC
Kahar Dex wrote:
Any others who are in good standing with Amarr who participated, can ping me.

As I stated in my previous post in this thread, I was present during the last hour or two of the operation, through to the end.

Lady Indira Harashani

Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV

Honorius Vitellius
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2015-08-03 06:42:54 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:
Burn Amarr... burn Amarr... that river is still flowing. I laugh, 'we' laugh.

No one died.

This is a factually inaccurate statement. Many thousands of people died. They were more than “no one.” These supposed “gamblers” had names, and they had faces. They were children of God like us all. Singularity may suggest that by seeking their livelihood in a certain way they cease to be human, or render their human deaths laughable and unimportant. The faithful of Amarr do not think in this way, and this thinking is the mark of the death cult of Singularity. It is this contempt for human life that this supposed “pope” wishes to teach his students. He is a shepherd who will eat his flock. After all, his sheep could have chosen a different pasture, and in choosing his, they have accepted death. He has said as much.

The moral bankruptcy of Singularity’s cause is also manifest in this choice of words. He refers to his crews as “gamblers.” This is the way the supposed “pope” of New Eden views his role as a spiritual leader: a game of chance? A game, I should add, that the capsuleer cannot really lose. Again, this is not a message for all of humanity. What Singularity offers is the real “exclusion, elitism, clique behaviour, and pious snobbery.”

Finally, the suggestion of some kind of possible collusion between Singularity and the Drifters, offered by Cardinal Dex, is worth considering. After all, there is more evidence behind this suggestion than all of the accusations Singularity has thrown against the Empress. At least on this topic, we can see that he attacks the Empire at the same time they do. As Arrendis was so kind to point out this is hardly an actionable level of evidence, but it is far more than Singularity has offered to justify his own “inquisition.”
Cydonia Meridian
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#67 - 2015-08-03 06:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Cydonia Meridian
Deitra Vess wrote:

With all due respect, Mr. Singularity, what does this have to do with anything? Anyone who wasn't mentioned should be proud of their service whether they are acknowledged by one man who speaks for one group or not. They are free to comment on their part here as well, yet they from the looks of it, don't care to. So why bring it up? I will admit it is a nice gesture to highlight their service, just I don't see why any accusations towards Kahar Dex are in order.


Don't care to? if that were it, fine, but Mr. Dex has been quite explicit in his intentions to ignore, deny and slander House Singularity and our efforts to protect baseliners, and bring redemption to capsuleers.

Kahar Dex wrote:
Any others who are in good standing with Amarr who participated, can ping me.


Good standing with the Amarr Government, or good standing with you? How about good standing with the innocent mortal people of Amarr! Who we fight for, while you sit in your isked out ship spreading slander and false 'truths'.


Honorius Vitellius wrote:

Finally, the suggestion of some kind of possible collusion between Singularity and the Drifters, offered by Cardinal Dex, is worth considering.
...
At least on this topic, we can see that he attacks the Empire at the same time they do. As Arrendis was so kind to point out this is hardly an actionable level of evidence.”


The records will show that the Inquision upon Jamyl Saurum was instigated AFTER her inaction in response to drifter (and other) attacks, and BEFORE that the incursion in Saifizon. Even I have to admit that you guys are really reaching here.

Samira Kernher wrote:


Yes, I do. I checked killboards directly before making that post. The most recent loss reported was Meridian's omen in Naguton on the first of August. Prior to that are the losses of a capsule and algos in Agoze, on July 31st.

There were no reported losses in Safizon to drifters, or any other individual, by ships of House Singularity.

I, for one, would not have been opposed to including credit to House Singularity had there been reports that verified its participation.


Kill Mail

Official Record.

So, are you all admitting to being fools, or to putting your politics above the lives of the people?
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#68 - 2015-08-03 07:10:32 UTC
I noticed Maxxy boy posted in this thread and it derailed for a bit.
Any chance for the spotlight huh?
Honorius Vitellius
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Goonswarm Federation
#69 - 2015-08-03 07:24:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Honorius Vitellius
Cydonia Meridian wrote:


So, are you all admitting to being fools, or to putting your politics above the lives of the people?


Are these the people who remain people, or the ones who do not count as people? Since your leadership views the crews of all vessels in space as "gamblers" who have accepted their own deaths, why would you be so eager to have glory for defending targets in space? As your "pope" has stated, the deaths of these do not count. They are "no one." One would think that only a planetary invasion would gain your attention, as all other lives (especially those of people loyal to the Empire or the lives of those passing through the Empire) are expendable.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#70 - 2015-08-03 13:16:03 UTC
Honorius Vitellius wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:


So, are you all admitting to being fools, or to putting your politics above the lives of the people?


Are these the people who remain people, or the ones who do not count as people? Since your leadership views the crews of all vessels in space as "gamblers" who have accepted their own deaths, why would you be so eager to have glory for defending targets in space? As your "pope" has stated, the deaths of these do not count. They are "no one." One would think that only a planetary invasion would gain your attention, as all other lives (especially those of people loyal to the Empire or the lives of those passing through the Empire) are expendable.


When did I say that exactly? Also I am pretty sure Scope Works doesn't support the Imperium. And while at one time I might have flown with some members of them I don't really agree with much of anything they say, never mind this gambler thing.
Honorius Vitellius
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2015-08-03 13:31:54 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Honorius Vitellius wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:


So, are you all admitting to being fools, or to putting your politics above the lives of the people?


Are these the people who remain people, or the ones who do not count as people? Since your leadership views the crews of all vessels in space as "gamblers" who have accepted their own deaths, why would you be so eager to have glory for defending targets in space? As your "pope" has stated, the deaths of these do not count. They are "no one." One would think that only a planetary invasion would gain your attention, as all other lives (especially those of people loyal to the Empire or the lives of those passing through the Empire) are expendable.


When did I say that exactly? Also I am pretty sure Scope Works doesn't support the Imperium. And while at one time I might have flown with some members of them I don't really agree with much of anything they say, never mind this gambler thing.


There was an issue with the log, Pilot Vess. The quote specified did not belong to you. Thank you for drawing my attention to the issue. It has been fixed.
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#72 - 2015-08-03 14:20:57 UTC
Honorius Vitellius wrote:
Cydonia Meridian wrote:


So, are you all admitting to being fools, or to putting your politics above the lives of the people?


As your "pope" has stated, the deaths of these do not count. They are "no one."



Citation needed. Keep what I 'state' accurate.

You really don't understand honor, or freedom of choice. I see why Jamyl likes you.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#73 - 2015-08-03 14:44:25 UTC
You that think I don't think of my crews as people. Then damnation on you. Silly shallow fools.

Death cult? By your inflated chests spew forth verbal civilian rockets.

Hypocrites. Fools.

I have special systems on my ships installed by my yards, that when I get into structure, my crews are already ejecting. I've lost at that point and I simply do what I can to keep my ship aligned to a celestial. But once in structure, I conceded to my enemy for the sake of my mortal human crews that have names and families. I could keep fighting on, but I give them the maximum time. Screw the ship, I'm a multi-billionare Holder. I'll get another ship.

And when they eject, my ship launches beacons for the Sisters of Eve for my crews rescue. My crews enjoy a higher survivability rate than the average Capsuleer (and they know that).

Oh but... yes... I've heard the screams. I've heard the cries for help. I have had to make the choice where the many outweigh the needs of the few.

I'm known for not smiling and although the root of that is due to the death of my wife... it is also due to my beloved people, my friends, my co-workers, my ship mates that I have seen spaced a horrible death caused by other Capsuleers with their own political agendas... those that use The Lords name in perverted sacrilege for their own perverted ends.

I ask you to CRY ME A RIVER, because I have cried rivers that have created seas! Oceans! Water worlds!

I honor my crews by their free choice to fly with me. Me. A Capsuleer combat pilot. Not a Capsuleer mining pilot. Not a Capsuleer missioning pilot (that kills mortal enemies), Not a Capsuleer station trader that never undocks. I am a Capsuleer combat pilot and I choose this line to fly into danger for what I can not sit down for, I stand. My crews know I take my ships into danger and they stand with me.

Your accusations are shallow, and naive.

“The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. If you would take a man's life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die.” -Ancient

I look into each and every eye of my crew, I tell them to walk away. They don't. So be it, then welcome aboard.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2015-08-03 15:13:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinjin Mokk
Max Singularity wrote:


You really don't understand honor, or freedom of choice. I see why Jamyl likes you.



You seem to be having trouble with the concept yourself.

You would speak of Honor? Where is your honor when you claim loyalty to Amarr, but commit treason against her Empress?

Where is your honor to the people of Amarr? No, maybe you and yours didn't commit mass acts of murder during your "Burn Amarr" cry for attention, but can you imagine what the baseline population thinks of you?

Where is your honor to God, when every move you make is for the furtherance of Pride? We may not always agree with the choices of our political and spiritual leaders, but open insurrection against those powers is called TREASON, the greatest of dishonors.

You have a choice. The Empire stands on the sword's edge of open war with the Drifters. We are beset by continued acts of terrorism by Matari and Sanists. Pirate organizations within the Empire and without grow stronger every day, and it is into this chaos that you would make your claim? The Empress looked on you and found you and your case wanting. Too bad. Sorry for you. Now stop being the spoiled and willful slave.

You are either a Lord of Amarr, accepting the responsibilities that go with those titles, or you are just another Omir or Rabbit; just another tyrant from the outer darkness who has listened to the voices of his sycophants instead of listening to his God.

Repent now. Reclaim your titles and standing. Work within the system and for the system. Or don't. You can't be both.

What is it to be? Lord Singularity of Amarr, or Max the Goon-Pope? You are free to decide.

Choose wisely.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Rytha Main
Defensores Fidei
#75 - 2015-08-03 16:29:20 UTC
Cydonia Meridian wrote:
Honorius Vitellius wrote:

Finally, the suggestion of some kind of possible collusion between Singularity and the Drifters, offered by Cardinal Dex, is worth considering.
...
At least on this topic, we can see that he attacks the Empire at the same time they do. As Arrendis was so kind to point out this is hardly an actionable level of evidence.”


The records will show that the Inquision upon Jamyl Saurum was instigated AFTER her inaction in response to drifter (and other) attacks, and BEFORE that the incursion in Saifizon. Even I have to admit that you guys are really reaching here.




Inaction? She distributed shielding technology. She blessed the keel laying of a new technologically advance ship to combat the drifters, and finally she memorialized the brave capsuleer's who fought off and beat the first Drifter Armada invasion. How is this "inaction"?

Your words only further support Cardinal Dex's suspicions. First the Drifters appear on the scene. Then Max launches his "inquiry" (which has entirely ignored by the MIO), then Max and Imperium forces begin moving war assets to Assah directly after the first Drifter attack.

No on is claiming fact, but the burden of proof is indeed on you to prove your innocence. To date, you have murdered innocents, and are causing division amongst loyalists when we should be focused on a more emergent threat.

This is starting to make more sense.

Cydonia Meridian wrote:


Don't care to? if that were it, fine, but Mr. Dex has been quite explicit in his intentions to ignore, deny and slander House Singularity and our efforts to protect baseliners, and bring redemption to capsuleers.

Kahar Dex wrote:
Any others who are in good standing with Amarr who participated, can ping me.


Good standing with the Amarr Government, or good standing with you? How about good standing with the innocent mortal people of Amarr! Who we fight for, while you sit in your isked out ship spreading slander and false 'truths'.


This question has been asked many times, but none of you Maximite loyalists have answered it, so it should be asked again.

I believe what the good Lord Cardinal Dex was referring to, were people who did not commit illegal actions against the Amarr Empire and it's citizens.

Please tell us... in Max & Imperium's terrorist attack "Burn Amarr"... did CONCORD and Imperial Navy vessels fire upon, and engage your forces?

Yes, or no?
Archbishop Abraxas
Defensores Fidei
#76 - 2015-08-03 16:37:56 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:


War... CVA... nor not one Providence corps declared CONCORD SANCTIONED WAR against the 10 Imperium Alliances. CVA can brag Amarr Victory against the Drifters, but against Capsuleers they hid in their hangers.

Max Singularity VI

A simple question if I may.

Did you and your followers declare CONCORD SANCTIONED WAR against all the pilots and corporations engaged during Burn Amarr?

If I am not mistaken, many of those ships destroyed were unarmed and defenseless...
Cydonia Meridian
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#77 - 2015-08-03 17:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Cydonia Meridian
Rytha Main wrote:

Inaction? She distributed shielding technology. She blessed the keel laying of a new technologically advance ship to combat the drifters, and finally she memorialized the brave capsuleer's who fought off and beat the first Drifter Armada invasion. How is this "inaction"?


How do you possibly call that action?!? She created a memorial while people are dying, a dumb statue is not helpful! She 'blessed' the construction of a new ship? How long is that going to take? Distributed shields? Instead she should be using her position as leader of the people to actually do something, not show up and give handouts and make empty speeches.

You've just proven that an Inquisition is necessary.

Rytha Main wrote:

To date, you have murdered innocents...

No. Not one of those Capsuleers were murdered, we re-clone, remember?

Rytha Main wrote:

... and are causing division amongst loyalists when we should be focused on a more emergent threat.


Jamyl is not focused on the emergent threat. We are. Our goal is not division, it is to protect the people, and since Jamyl and her followers are not, then we have to split off and do it ourselves.
If unity is the thing you care about, then unite with us to fight for the people of Amarr, and the cluster. If the innocent lives are what you care about, then join us, and work to save them, not build statues.
YOU are causing the division, by stubbornly staying loyal to a false empress that does not care for you, or her people.
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#78 - 2015-08-03 17:54:53 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:

Repent now. Reclaim your titles and standing. Work within the system and for the system. Or don't. You can't be both.

What is it to be? Lord Singularity of Amarr, or Max the Goon-Pope? You are free to decide.

Choose wisely.


You make it sound like I could choose a u-turn and be marked +10 by CVA and Provibloc. They of hardened hearts have shown disdain for so many masses that they never forgive, nor forget regardless redemptions.

I would see a Khanid Emperor on the throne before I vow off Jamyl's taint.
I would see a loyal Ammatar on the throne as well if that be our only option of sanity in an insane world.



Enough talk, thou all hast shown incalcitrant.

Our tour guides have booked our reservations for our summer holiday in Providence many months ago. We are past our free cancellation date, so we are coming to enjoy the fine restaurants and hotels of the so many stations... SO MANY STATIONS. I'll pack my swim trunks, my favorite towel, and my coffee mug. Grab your sunscreen, for we shall bring the light.

Choose wisely, you say as if I have, had, a choice.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#79 - 2015-08-03 17:56:26 UTC
Cydonia Meridian wrote:


20:14 is when I was there, so you were not in one of our fleets. However, since you were assisting with the defense, then I will recommend to His Eminence Dex to include you on the list.

As I have said, my only concern was over the lack of evidence. That killmail did not, and still has not, shown up on public killboards, for whatever reason. Had it been there, then I personally would have recommended inclusion.


I shall also recommend to both CVA and House Singularity representatives that the off-topic arguments in this thread cease. These arguments have propagated over many threads now, there no need for this thread to also be derailed. This is about the defense of Safizon. If there are issues with regard to recognition to parts played in that defense, then I will recommend they be dealt with in private.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#80 - 2015-08-03 18:01:31 UTC
Singularity's postings seem to have a much more agitated tone than they once did. I see the nips coming from the pack of wolves that is the IGS are finally getting to him. Eventually he might succumb to death by a thousand mental cuts. Keep up the good work, everyone!

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu