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[CVA-PIE] Amarr Coalition Forces Defeat Drifter Armada in Safizon
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Arrendis
TK Corp
#21 - 2015-08-01 19:58:36 UTC
Kahar Dex wrote:
Their tactical intelligence supersedes that of the pirate factions we are accustomed too, even Sansha's nation. They opt for coordinated attacks against single targets, of which pose the most threat in terms of damage output. And due to their tendency for fleets to focus fire, it makes it very difficult for a fast ship to "speed tank" or draw fire adequately, for where one might miss due to high transversal velocities, being targeted by 5, 10, 30 ships, make's for a guaranteed hit by at least one.

I was in the second fleet... and all I can say is... the amount of ships lost...


Oh, agreed. I'm less thinking of the normal fleet tactics of the Warzone and more the normal fleet tactics of null warfare, Cardinal. If we can find a way to draw the superweapon fire, so as to remove that from their bag of tricks early... then massive buffer battleships with armies of Logistics cruisers and e-war. Given their speed, brawling doctrines will probably be needed.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#22 - 2015-08-01 20:38:28 UTC
Has anyone considered stealth bombers and hit-and-run tactics? That is what they were built for.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#23 - 2015-08-01 22:42:11 UTC
All well and good that they were driven back.

But still no idea as to why. Not a word has come from them. Sansha at least made some statements, even posted in IGS here.


Wordless yet cunning. It's like we are fighting the dead, or they think we are too far beneath them to be communicated with.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#24 - 2015-08-01 22:54:50 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Has anyone considered stealth bombers and hit-and-run tactics? That is what they were built for.


Not an option most places their attacks are even slightly relevant, unless you're the first person who knows how to jury rig the control mechanism for bomb launchers in the empires' space. Anything else you can fit on a bomber will require staying on field long enough to be locked down and destroyed.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#25 - 2015-08-01 23:24:44 UTC
Just a thought, but how fast exactly do they lock? If you took like 20 torpedo fit bombers, sensor boosted with links. Time consuming and really inefficient but it could be possible, fire a salvo warp to a pre aligned safe spot, repeat. Again I'm not saying its a great idea, but its possible.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#26 - 2015-08-02 00:13:12 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Just a thought, but how fast exactly do they lock? If you took like 20 torpedo fit bombers, sensor boosted with links. Time consuming and really inefficient but it could be possible, fire a salvo warp to a pre aligned safe spot, repeat. Again I'm not saying its a great idea, but its possible.


I don't know about smaller ships, but my Typhoon was locked fast enough as to have appeared absolutely simultaneous with the firing of my first volley.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2015-08-02 00:19:50 UTC
It was a strange day. I lost a Guardian and five Omens assisting in the defence of an Amarrian system, taking orders from Amarrian fleet commanders. I learnt a lot of unwelcome but perhaps important information about the Drifters, and at least I now know how research should be focused - we have to find a way to mitigate or disable that awful superweapon. The attrition of fighting these things with subcapital assets will be completely atrocious. An alternative must be found.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#28 - 2015-08-02 00:22:30 UTC
Evidence exists, sent to my office, of official communications from Kahar Dex to a combat pilot of House Singularity that disavows her participation in the raid.

So be it.

This goes to validate how CVA is exclusive, cliquish, xenophobic, and capable of misrepresenting the truth regardless of their comfort.

During a briefing to jurors of peers, the Judge instructs the jurors that if any portion of a testimony is proven false, then you are to discredit the witness, as any of the information can then be false. Thus, one must now question anything further.

We have seen Kahar Dex omit truthful information about Cydonia Meridian’s participation, which is verifiable via Galnet. May he and they enjoy their exclusivity, and practice non-inclusion while hypocritically talk about Amarr unity.

Shame. I only hope this is due to Jamyl’s extreme influence upon them, and that they will one see the True Amarr salvation for The People of the Great Golden Empire.

/s/
Max Singularity VI

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Cydonia Meridian
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#29 - 2015-08-02 00:40:45 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:

We have seen Kahar Dex omit truthful information about Cydonia Meridian’s participation, which is verifiable via Galnet. May he and they enjoy their exclusivity, and practice non-inclusion while hypocritically talk about Amarr unity.

I am outraged. OUTRAGED!

It's one thing to disagree, fine, we can talk about that, online, offline, whatever, it dosen't matter, I can't force you to see the truth.

But it's another thing entirley to disavow House Singularity, or anyone, as they work to help the people of our empire, and cluster.

I am sickend by you Sauramites, and the way you blindly follow your false empress into the suffering of others. You should be ashamed.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#30 - 2015-08-02 00:44:14 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Just a thought, but how fast exactly do they lock? If you took like 20 torpedo fit bombers, sensor boosted with links. Time consuming and really inefficient but it could be possible, fire a salvo warp to a pre aligned safe spot, repeat. Again I'm not saying its a great idea, but its possible.


I don't know about smaller ships, but my Typhoon was locked fast enough as to have appeared absolutely simultaneous with the firing of my first volley.


Is it possible they were already locking you or had you locked? Either way the only way my thought would work is if there were a lot of bombers, maybe 2 waves if they are repairing themselves, and nearly insta lock with a warp in in the same vector as the warp out possible but annoying to organize.
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#31 - 2015-08-02 01:02:13 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Just a thought, but how fast exactly do they lock? If you took like 20 torpedo fit bombers, sensor boosted with links. Time consuming and really inefficient but it could be possible, fire a salvo warp to a pre aligned safe spot, repeat. Again I'm not saying its a great idea, but its possible.


I don't know about smaller ships, but my Typhoon was locked fast enough as to have appeared absolutely simultaneous with the firing of my first volley.


Is it possible they were already locking you or had you locked? Either way the only way my thought would work is if there were a lot of bombers, maybe 2 waves if they are repairing themselves, and nearly insta lock with a warp in in the same vector as the warp out possible but annoying to organize.


Drifter targeting technology is very nearly instantaneous in my experience. For smaller ships registering that you have been locked, engaged, and your pod ejected are practically a single event.

"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#32 - 2015-08-02 01:12:16 UTC
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Just a thought, but how fast exactly do they lock? If you took like 20 torpedo fit bombers, sensor boosted with links. Time consuming and really inefficient but it could be possible, fire a salvo warp to a pre aligned safe spot, repeat. Again I'm not saying its a great idea, but its possible.


I don't know about smaller ships, but my Typhoon was locked fast enough as to have appeared absolutely simultaneous with the firing of my first volley.


Is it possible they were already locking you or had you locked? Either way the only way my thought would work is if there were a lot of bombers, maybe 2 waves if they are repairing themselves, and nearly insta lock with a warp in in the same vector as the warp out possible but annoying to organize.


Drifter targeting technology is very nearly instantaneous in my experience. For smaller ships registering that you have been locked, engaged, and your pod ejected are practically a single event.


Wow really? Scratch that idea...
Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#33 - 2015-08-02 01:14:31 UTC
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:
Drifter targeting technology is very nearly instantaneous in my experience. For smaller ships registering that you have been locked, engaged, and your pod ejected are practically a single event.


I can confirm this from personal experience, having been part of the fleet operating toward the end of the Drifters' time in Safizon late last night. I believe I lost a total of three or four Coercer-class destroyers in the process, and of those, for not one of them did I have any opportunity to react. It was an instantaneous transition from "no registered incoming targeting locks" to "capsule ejected."

Lady Indira Harashani

Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#34 - 2015-08-02 01:25:44 UTC
Additional omissions of Truth are being forwarded to my office.

Another brave pilot who flies in support of The Amarr People of my Star Diocese, Meta Knite of the Black Legion alliance engaged the Drifters in his Oracle. His combat heroics were observed by non-combat witnesses as he found a technique to survive the Drifter fire power for hours. He also heroically led the drifter off of the station.

Yet Meta Knite representing his alliance was omitted from the propaganda self promoting post by Kahar Dex.

It is a big Cluster, and there are many eyes and ears that see the real truth. Congratulation Meta Knite and Cydonia Meridian.

/s/
Max Singularity VI

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#35 - 2015-08-02 01:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Max Singularity wrote:


So be it.

This goes to validate how CVA is exclusive, cliquish, xenophobic, and capable of misrepresenting the truth regardless of their comfort.

During a briefing to jurors of peers, the Judge instructs the jurors that if any portion of a testimony is proven false, then you are to discredit the witness, as any of the information can then be false. Thus, one must now question anything further.

We have seen Kahar Dex omit truthful information about Cydonia Meridian’s participation, which is verifiable via Galnet. May he and they enjoy their exclusivity, and practice non-inclusion while hypocritically talk about Amarr unity.

Shame. I only hope this is due to Jamyl’s extreme influence upon them, and that they will one see the True Amarr salvation for The People of the Great Golden Empire.


Max Singularity wrote:


Another brave pilot who flies in support of The Amarr People of my Star Diocese, Meta Knite of the Black Legion alliance engaged the Drifters in his Oracle. His combat heroics were observed by non-combat witnesses as he found a technique to survive the Drifter fire power for hours. He also heroically led the drifter off of the station.

Yet Meta Knite representing his alliance was omitted from the propaganda self promoting post by Kahar Dex.

It is a big Cluster, and there are many eyes and ears that see the real truth. Congratulation Meta Knite and Cydonia Meridian.


With all due respect, Mr. Singularity, what does this have to do with anything? Anyone who wasn't mentioned should be proud of their service whether they are acknowledged by one man who speaks for one group or not. They are free to comment on their part here as well, yet they from the looks of it, don't care to. So why bring it up? I will admit it is a nice gesture to highlight their service, just I don't see why any accusations towards Kahar Dex are in order.
Ravana 729
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#36 - 2015-08-02 01:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ravana 729
Andreus Ixiris - Diplomacy works fairly well. It did for the Ni-Kunni in a similar situation. Unless they are treating Amarr and the other clusters they are inhabiting as some kind of body farm I can't imagine what will happen if they decide they don't like being assaulted without provocation. This sounds like it was merely a scouting fleet monitoring gate movement or attempting to apprehend someone.

They have their own agenda, and it would be wise to try and find out what it is somehow. It may be you're simply not allowed to know, but there are means and means....
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2015-08-02 02:02:12 UTC
Ravana 729 wrote:
Andreus Ixiris - Diplomacy works fairly well.

There's no-one to talk to. Vigilant Tyrannos has issued no demands, no statements. No Drifter has even been seen to speak - indeed, they have no vocal chords. They have had thousands of opportunities to communicate with capsuleers or with representatives of the Empire, and not a single one has been taken.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#38 - 2015-08-02 03:02:15 UTC
Ravana 729 wrote:
This sounds like it was merely a scouting fleet monitoring gate movement or attempting to apprehend someone.


Except for the part where they fired on the Amarr Navy first. There's a lot of things I don't like about the Amarr, but even I can't say shooting first when you have severely overwhelming firepower is a defensive act.
Suzuha Yamada
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#39 - 2015-08-02 03:40:14 UTC
Saisieni,

I wish to offer a hand of support to injured personnel who survived this attack who are now in need of care.

At my visitor hanger at Safizon, I have some provisions I wish to pass to a representative who will ensure these are given to those in need.

This is a fight we should all be together on, the fact that the drifters are seemingly picking on the Amarr in particular right now is irrelevant, we know how unpredictable they are. Anyone, be it the Republic, the Federation or even my own State could be the next in their rampant campaign to garner attention.

Please contact me via mail for details.

Regards,
Suzuha Yamada - IKAME
Ravana 729
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#40 - 2015-08-02 04:40:25 UTC
Fedos communicate by smell, so the absence of vocal chords means nothing in some species.

They are listening to us. Iwould say the best we can do in the face of such power is to be very careful what we say. You don't know that this is their diplomacy at work.