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Sojourn: The Federation

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#81 - 2015-09-22 14:55:15 UTC
I think the Republic is on the right track these days and I really feel that the current structure can lead to a stable and mature political system. I don't know which brain trust came up with the startlingly bad idea to try and make the Matari forget about their tribal loyalties but, in hindsight, it was obviously doomed to failure from the very start.

It's incredibly difficult for a human being to serve two masters and it was totally obvious that what was good for the Republic was not necessarily in the best interests of the Tribe that a Matari belonged to. One or the other would have to go - and thankfully it was the artificially created structure, the Republic, that lost that battle. I'm looking forward to the day when Sebiestor, Brutor and Vherokior maintain their own fleets, run their own planets and manage their own diplomacy and trade - under the umbrella of a unified Tribal Council, sure, but as sovereign independent political blocs.

The competing loyalties of Tribe and Republic have, for too long, made Matari society present two faces to the world. This has led to them getting a reputation for being quixotic and unreliable - a reputation that is unfair and untrue, for the most part. A misunderstanding created by an honourable and genuine attempt to be true to two competing sets of obligations. Fifty years should see the last of the Republicans swept away by replacements loyal to their tribes and only mindful of the idea of greater Matari integration.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2015-09-22 15:09:27 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I think the Republic is on the right track these days and I really feel that the current structure can lead to a stable and mature political system. I don't know which brain trust came up with the startlingly bad idea to try and make the Matari forget about their tribal loyalties but, in hindsight, it was obviously doomed to failure from the very start.

It's incredibly difficult for a human being to serve two masters and it was totally obvious that what was good for the Republic was not necessarily in the best interests of the Tribe that a Matari belonged to. One or the other would have to go - and thankfully it was the artificially created structure, the Republic, that lost that battle. I'm looking forward to the day when Sebiestor, Brutor and Vherokior maintain their own fleets, run their own planets and manage their own diplomacy and trade - under the umbrella of a unified Tribal Council, sure, but as sovereign independent political blocs.

The competing loyalties of Tribe and Republic have, for too long, made Matari society present two faces to the world. This has led to them getting a reputation for being quixotic and unreliable - a reputation that is unfair and untrue, for the most part. A misunderstanding created by an honourable and genuine attempt to be true to two competing sets of obligations. Fifty years should see the last of the Republicans swept away by replacements loyal to their tribes and only mindful of the idea of greater Matari integration.


In other words, a political structure similar to that of the State?

Then again, the State-like structure is much easier to adapt into a Tribal Confederacy government.

Also, when is the Republic going to change her name? She's not functioning as a Republic anymore.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#83 - 2015-09-22 15:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
A lot of people seem to very firmly believe that Federal democracy was incompatible with the Matari, which is why it ultimately failed in the Republic. But the reality is less that and more that all the people who were endeared to to democratic ideas ended up leaving for the Federation rather than existing in the sort of halfway-house hybrid system of the original Republic - Until only the traditionalists remained. And we're talking about a lot of people here; About 40% of it's proportionate population. One could make the argument that if they'd adopted the Federal system wholesale, things could have ended very different.

Alternatively, bloodily.

Elmund Egivand wrote:
Also, when is the Republic going to change her name? She's not functioning as a Republic anymore.


Republic doesn't have to mean democratically elected leaders. It means any system where power is invested in the people rather than absolute rulers. Since tribal leaders are "chosen" rather than simply inheriting their titles, it still counts.

I might even suggest the State could be technically-sorta-kinda called a Republic, though this would probably get me hamstrung by several people.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#84 - 2015-09-22 17:29:56 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:


I might even suggest the State could be technically-sorta-kinda called a Republic, though this would probably get me hamstrung by several people.

I can think of at least one....

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#85 - 2015-09-22 22:27:35 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
That's not to say that nobody here cares. The Raata hang onto the old Caldari culture for dear life, and there even seem to be some ethnic Gallente who are determined to hold onto old ways.

I applaud your observational skills and nuanced assessment of undercurrents within Galletean society.

Many have forgotten, but some revere our own Imperial past.
Svetlana Laknaya
Khushakor Clan
#86 - 2015-09-22 23:22:48 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I think the Republic is on the right track these days and I really feel that the current structure can lead to a stable and mature political system. I don't know which brain trust came up with the startlingly bad idea to try and make the Matari forget about their tribal loyalties but, in hindsight, it was obviously doomed to failure from the very start.

It's incredibly difficult for a human being to serve two masters and it was totally obvious that what was good for the Republic was not necessarily in the best interests of the Tribe that a Matari belonged to. One or the other would have to go - and thankfully it was the artificially created structure, the Republic, that lost that battle. I'm looking forward to the day when Sebiestor, Brutor and Vherokior maintain their own fleets, run their own planets and manage their own diplomacy and trade - under the umbrella of a unified Tribal Council, sure, but as sovereign independent political blocs.

The competing loyalties of Tribe and Republic have, for too long, made Matari society present two faces to the world. This has led to them getting a reputation for being quixotic and unreliable - a reputation that is unfair and untrue, for the most part. A misunderstanding created by an honourable and genuine attempt to be true to two competing sets of obligations. Fifty years should see the last of the Republicans swept away by replacements loyal to their tribes and only mindful of the idea of greater Matari integration.


In other words, a political structure similar to that of the State?

Then again, the State-like structure is much easier to adapt into a Tribal Confederacy government.

Also, when is the Republic going to change her name? She's not functioning as a Republic anymore.


I personally, feel comfortable dealing with the state as I can relate to their enlightened self interest in their own mega corporations, because it is in many ways similar to the Tribes. That street goes two ways, as it were.

The Minmatar Republic is indeed a republic, but insomuch as there are people who are representatives of the interests of our Tribes. The Republic Parliment, and the Tribal council don't comprise a democratic Republic sure but those people appointed to those bodies do serve their Tribe. It is also accurate to say the Minmatar Republic is a confederacy rather than a federation.

I won't disparage the merits of a federal democratic republic, but, I am sure that a confederate tribal republic is what is best for my people and our culture. We will thrive like this, even if for example Gallentean culture wouldn't.

Also, Ms. Jenneth your observations have been most enlightening, please do keep reporting them.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#87 - 2015-09-30 15:27:35 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

By abilities and by appearance, to keep the old bloodlines alive. Yes. But creating order always takes more energy than breaking it down.

When you heat a crystal to a melting point it doesn't just turn into a liquid instantly - you have to add energy, forcing it to melt, maintaining temperature at melting point, and only when it will melt completely further energy will start heating the liquid. Same goes to other direction - you need to take energy from the liquid at freezing point for it to crystallize. So we can make conclusion that potential energy of ordered state is less. This goes not just for phase transitions, but even inside crystal: energy minimum would be completely ordered crystal and any of defects would raise its energy.

As for building and constructing, yes, there is another sort of energy - a potential barrier, separating both states. It is like a hill on a road from village A to village B. The hill is the same size, well, since it is just the same hill on the road, however, since village A and B might have different height of terrain (for example, village A is lower by height - or energy, if you wish), you will need to climb higher when you are going from A to B than if you would walk from B to A.

This also means that to create order it takes less energy than to break it.

Aria Jenneth wrote:

You might be conflating "chaos" and "freedom" a little. Then again, I guess you're not alone in that. More freedom might be thought of as allowing more chaos, though I think it's more a matter of degree than of ... well, anything elemental.

What I've been seeing in the Federation doesn't feel like chaos. It seems functional, if lively, at least day to day. Chaos would be ... a lot less livable, I would think. Harder to maintain any sort of society in.

Am I setting the bar for "chaos" too high?

"Chaos" and "freedom" is the same word written with different letters. Well, in my language it is written in same letters. For me they are indistinguishable at all.

Chaos would mean breaking of all chains, including love, loyalty, property... While they propagate society that doesn't bound by any chain, they are hypocrites that are trying to hold some of bonds and restrictions.

Aria Jenneth wrote:

This is a place it seems like I need to be careful, and not just of the Gallente. What you might be implying would be ... horrendously sad. In a lot of different ways. ... If it's what it sounds like. I won't just assume.

Sad. Yes. Horrendously. Yes.
But really, give me an easy time. I was young and stupid. I was trusting them. I didn't know who they are. I thought they are like us...

Well, I got better now. I realize my mistakes, and though it was really horrendously sad that I though about gallente like they would be good, I have learnt enough about them already. And some of my lessons I don't wish others to repeat. That's why I hope you and others will just listen to my words instead of feeling what I have went through.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#88 - 2015-10-13 22:37:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Entry Six: Taking Sides (Accidentally)

It's weird: I came into this odd existence with a head full of knowledge about the Caldari. I know the Caldari language, culture, politics, cuisine, faith, and on and on, as well as I know the Achura. Maybe even better.

It makes sense. My antecedent had to become Caldari to become a capsuleer, which means full cultural conversion, so it follows that I'd know maybe even more about them than a lot of people who were just born into Caldari culture. At some point, my past self was being watched and tested on how Caldari she could be.

I've never felt very Caldari, though, not during my first couple weeks as a prisoner in my own quarters, before my identity was validated; not during my initial wanderings about the cluster, or my time with the Amarr or even as a mercenary with a predominantly Caldari outfit.

I've felt like an Achur, sometimes, increasingly, even, as time's gone on, but I've never really shared my antecedent's cause, her belief in the State as the protector of the fragile, precious jewel of insight that is Achura.

The State's got a lot of warts. A lot. Rampant anti-intellectualism; jingoistic militarism; controlled breeding; ingrained official prejudice against persons of mixed blood and a pile of other minorities; the "nonentity" (read "not a person") non-caste; a very real tendency of megacorporations to forget that they're also the government, bound to serve interests larger than their own; an understandable but still pernicious materialism ...

... and on and on.

(Art is not a waste of time. So there.)

But ...

The Federation may finally have made a Caldari out of me. I mean that in the least I'm-picking-up-a-rail-rifle-now way possible; it's not like I want to ship up and go do some orbital bombardment of anybody's town center.

Much.

The Amarr Empire didn't, on the whole, care much what I thought about things. It cared, of course, about whether I was representing it fairly and how close I might be to accepting the true Faith, but otherwise ... I was a foreigner, and a heathen, and my own customs and beliefs were mostly a curiosity or an obstacle to getting me to accept the truth. There were exceptions, but that was mostly the way of it. I was encouraged to learn, and to learn well, but rarely got called out on any of my own private beliefs, if only because everything I believed was presumably wrong.

The Empire didn't much want to argue. It wanted to teach. It knew the way of things, and while there were a fair few internal disagreements and differences over interpretations, I didn't, couldn't, represent any of them.

The Federation seems to want to argue with me.

Mainstream Federal culture is a pretty vigorous political ferment. People aren't shy about their opinions, and they aren't careful about them, either. Political discourse is pervasive, it's demanding, and what it keeps demanding is that I take a position and defend it against intellectual (or political, anyway) assault.

Turns out, the position of the neutral wanderer (at least this one) circles around certain arguments: moral and cultural relativism; an acceptance of "rights" as a social, political, and legal construct rather than a reality unto themselves; skepticism about the long-term viability of democracy; skepticism about the assumption that democracy would work everywhere.

A perception that trying to aggressively spread one's own practices and beliefs to all humanity, in all its trillions, is an arrogant act.

The desire to have a cup of tea without risking getting my assumptions challenged. Again.

These arguments will sound pretty familiar to most Caldari capsuleers.

This may partly be aggravation talking, and it may partly be who I've been dealing with. But the Federation seems to enjoy talking politics even more than I do, and I'm starting to feel a little bruised.

A lot of the Caldari war cry is a cry of frustration: Can't you just leave us in peace?!

It's a sentiment I'm starting to really sympathize with.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#89 - 2015-10-13 22:47:45 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

A perception that trying to aggressively spread one's own practices and beliefs to all humanity, in all its trillions, is an arrogant act.

So this...

Aria Jenneth wrote:

A lot of the Caldari war cry is a cry of frustration: Can't you just leave us in peace?!

And this.

I really can't add more at this moment.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#90 - 2015-10-14 02:09:34 UTC
I can very much agree that the Federation, even though they are facing ever reduced voter turnout for every subsequent election, hold very, very strong political opinions and tend to identify themselves by their political affiliations.

This might have very much to do with the democratic system. Since I do not really understand politics very well, I think I just leave that to someone more familiar to the topic to explain why this is happening.

I suspect that it had alot to do with our instinctive tendencies to organise ourselves into 'Tribes' and develop a 'Us or Them' mentality.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#91 - 2015-10-14 09:02:28 UTC
I've been content to observe this journey of discovery, but I do think it's time for me to offer some balance as your bias is showing. Of course, Caille can be overwhelming, like a raw spirit on the throat when a fine wine is so much better for appreciating the pleasures of alcohol.

Captain Jenneth, despite your reference to an amnesiac antecedent, it is clear from your writing that you are very much a product of Caldari culture. The objective observer does not exist in any of us, and your heritage is beginning to prevent you from seeing the soul of the Gallente. I am not going to lecture you on politics as you 'wish to be left alone'. (Of course, should you change your mind, as every good Gallentean would do, I can offer illumination!).

What I will do is make you an offer. Leave the Federal heartlands for a while and come to Solitude. My family estate on Octanneve V has substantial accommodation facilities for both tourists and our employees and you would be welcome. I can introduce you to our Mannar expatriate community, which has a strongly different cultural heritage to Gallenteans proper. You can wander the vineyards and taste our cheeses, share hearth fires in simple villages, ride with the buffalo herds and climb into the mountains to hear the firebirds laugh above mist-wreathed glacial lochs.

Many Gallenteans term our region of space 'the Wild West' and we do have somewhat of a 'frontier' spirit. We're a tad more conservative politically, and Liberty lives proudly in our hearts. We like to live and let live, though we are also very politically active. You'll find Progressive politics quite different from the socialist policies prevalent in the capitals. You may also come to understand how a free people, once threatened by invasion, can become a tireless unit of resistance and victory through will and dedication to the ideals of Liberty - and thus let go of the dangerous illusion, nursed by some, that the Federation threatened would fall asunder.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#92 - 2015-10-14 09:28:12 UTC
Oh, so you want to show her your pet Mannar circus?

You know, I have a better idea. Try to find real Mannars, who weren't brainwashed by gallentean propaganda. Who don't consider freedom being good side, but could discuss what freedom does good and also what freedom does bad. Find those Mannars, who don't think in axioms about these freedoms and democracies. Find those Mannars, who can name at least one (or better two) management doctrines that are better than democracy.

And try to find those Mannars, who still dream about INDEPENDENCE... not poisoned by dreams of freedom aka chaos. Real independence (not freedom), that Federation so hates and pushes with their boots down to the ground.

Independence of thought,
Independence of management,
Independence of life and beliefs... Can you find this in your Federation?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#93 - 2015-10-14 09:56:32 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

And try to find those Mannars, who still dream about INDEPENDENCE... not poisoned by dreams of freedom aka chaos. Real independence (not freedom), that Federation so hates and pushes with their boots down to the ground.

Independence of thought,
Independence of management,
Independence of life and beliefs... Can you find this in your Federation?


That is the Federation. We have myriads of planets with their own distinct and independent ways.

And it's the likes of you that fetishises jackboots on the throats of the people.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#94 - 2015-10-14 10:36:12 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

And try to find those Mannars, who still dream about INDEPENDENCE... not poisoned by dreams of freedom aka chaos. Real independence (not freedom), that Federation so hates and pushes with their boots down to the ground.

Independence of thought,
Independence of management,
Independence of life and beliefs... Can you find this in your Federation?


That is the Federation. We have myriads of planets with their own distinct and independent ways.

And it's the likes of you that fetishises jackboots on the throats of the people.

How comes then that when we tried to get independence, Gallentes have attacked us?
How comes Intaki are still not allowed to make their own independent colonies?
How comes Mannars were integrated into Federation by force?
How comes those, who were protesting against Federation war with Caldari were 'jackbooted' into ground by Federal military?

There is no independence in the Federation, only total control and brainwashing. If you want to see what does real independence mean - visit the State. And it's not like simply independence from the Federation. We have nurtured independence to the level that gallenteans can't imagine in their wildest nightmare. Our whole State consists of eight INDEPENDENT from each other Megacorporations. Each Megacorporation is like a mini-government, a whole mini state inside Caldari State. Own laws, own rules and regulations, own customs. Even own police and military forces. Own ideology, ideals and own management methods.

Nobody dictates corporations what ideology and management regime they can employ, and they choose whatever they see fit. I think it would be noteworthy to point out that neither of these independent megacorporations have chosen 'democracy' as a way to organize management, taking into account nobody has prohibited them in using it. As neither of them propagate freedom as a good ideal. And with that their own ideologies often conflict with other megacorporations. Go ahead, and you will find a lot of Caldari who will be screaming that "liberalism is wrong!", others will scream that "practicals are wrong!", others would even scream that "patriots are wrong!".

But give me some Federals who would scream that "freedom is wrong!" or that "democracy is wrong!" Most probably you won't find any, and if you do, I bet Black Eagles would kill them before you contact them...

* * *

And besides this, I'd like for Ms. Jenneth to see the real side of the Federation. It's dark side, that gallenteans often hide behind a facade of false friendliness, diplomacy, shown pseudo-tolerance to other cultures and all their glitter they spread around. Into its dark side, that sometimes burst out from that paper thin veil, bringing death and destruction, racism, genocide, terror and blind hatred.

You don't even have to break this paper veil as I do, shooting my guns right through it to those, who are hiding behind. All you need is just to walk around and look behind.

Look what they do at night. Walk dark Federal city alleys - and you will be attacked or even killed just because you are Caldari. Walk around cities, in federal suburbs. See all these drug addicts and common not-so-successful peoples, their common 'electorate'. Electorate that would jump on you to tear you apart just because you are different from them. Just because you are Caldari...

It is this electorate that burns Caldari archeological digs and shrines, who deface monuments and disrespects us... Well, I'd really prefer you to NOT meet them. But their existence and predominance is out of question.

And then compare it to Caldari suburb at night. You will be pretty much welcomed instead by a security officer, shining a flashlight into your face and demanding your documents to check your privilege to stay in the current area at a given hour.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Skyweir Kinnison
Doomheim
#95 - 2015-10-14 10:52:02 UTC
I have no intention of engaging further with your nonsense. Captain Jenneth's reflections deserve better than derailment.

Captain Jenneth, the offer stands. Whatever you decide, enjoy the Federation's many facets.

Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#96 - 2015-10-14 11:04:02 UTC
Skyweir Kinnison wrote:
I have no intention of engaging further with your nonsense. Captain Jenneth's reflections deserve better than derailment.

"Nonsence."
That's how you Federals shrug off facts.

Anyway, it is a discussion about your Federation and I have contributed way more than just your hostility, ignoring facts and personal attacks. Well, I can play this game too.

Just once again you have shown why the peace with Federation is impossible. I really hope that Ms. Jenneth would avoid meeting with someone like you who would only show her one shiny side of a coin, while other would be covered in a stinking crap.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#97 - 2015-10-14 17:31:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I really hope that Ms. Jenneth would avoid meeting with someone like you who would only show her one shiny side of a coin, while other would be covered in a stinking crap.


Respectfully, Ms. Kim, I do try to see a little more than what I'm shown.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#98 - 2015-10-14 18:52:47 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I really hope that Ms. Jenneth would avoid meeting with someone like you who would only show her one shiny side of a coin, while other would be covered in a stinking crap.


Respectfully, Ms. Kim, I do try to see a little more than what I'm shown.

I hope it is so, just...
Please be careful. And don't forget about my advice to always carry a weapon.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Zavier Dessaultnier
Doomheim
#99 - 2015-10-18 21:11:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Zavier Dessaultnier
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
A lot of people seem to very firmly believe that Federal democracy was incompatible with the Matari, which is why it ultimately failed in the Republic. But the reality is less that and more that all the people who were endeared to to democratic ideas ended up leaving for the Federation rather than existing in the sort of halfway-house hybrid system of the original Republic - Until only the traditionalists remained. And we're talking about a lot of people here; About 40% of it's proportionate population. One could make the argument that if they'd adopted the Federal system wholesale, things could have ended very different.


I would say the Matari did not adopt a Federal democracy, they adopted a parliamentary democracy modeled after the Federal Union member-state government of Rei-Tsaro in Luminaire. The Republic could not adopt a Federal system because at the time it was formed, post-Rebellion, there existed no separate political states to Federate under -- democratic or otherwise. In my own opinion the nature of the Republic government was chosen by the Minmatar people because of the requirement and necessity to at least provide some kind of inclusive government to bring together the disparate interests and factions that existed post-Rebellion. Better some kind of government than no kind of government at all. In this, parliamentary democracy could be considered at best, a compromise solution for that period in Minmatar history.

The ideal was probably that Tribal representatives would be elected and the Parliament would function de facto as a Tribal polity. The reality however I think was that parliamentary democracy proved ineffective in the case of the Minmatar for a variety of reasons.

The unequal representation of more populous Tribes such as the Brutor and Sebiestor in government coalitions which often ostracized the interests of the Krusual and Vherokior.

The inability form a government coalition which at times left the Republic paralyzed and dysfunctional during political infighting and created legislative deadlocks.

Far worse, the nature of political partisanship in the Parliament also had an additional Tribal dimension which contributed to dividing the Tribes over political issues instead of bringing them together -- to the point it likely threatened outright internecine conflict within the Republic itself.

The reformations of the Republic undertaken by Sanmatar Shakor can only be seen as a positive step towards ending the internal division, internecine partisanship, corruption, and lack of effective governance caused by a parliamentary democratic model operating within Minmatar Tribal society. I believe the Tribal Council will be able to deliver an effective and strong government representative of all the Minmatar Tribes and better reflect the culture, history, traditions, and beliefs of the people of the Republic as an independent and sovereign entity.

Although I'm sure the formation of the Tribal Council will be used more often than not as a cause célèbre. An indictment against democracy and proof of the imminent collapse of the Federation-by-proxy.

I suppose I find such a notion odd having been born in the Jin-Mei dominions which I'd describe as both undemocratic and a signatory of the Federal charter as a full member for almost two centuries. I certainly wasn't elected into the office of a Sang Do overlord by democratic franchise. I have never felt democracy vital at a member nation-state level since the Federation's current constitutional, charter and institutional structure of the Sixth Union is sufficient to ensure legal equality irrespective of how individuals and their member nation-state may define liberty at an cultural and ideological level. Of which democratic government may or may not be part.

Theoretically Minmatar within the Federation could even choose to found their own Tribal colonies based on the current Republic model and then choose to opt-out of the constitutional and charter clauses relating to democratic government when they decide to become a Federal member-state as with the Jin-Mei dominions.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#100 - 2015-10-19 15:14:43 UTC
Zavier Dessaultnier wrote:

The ideal was probably that Tribal representatives would be elected and the Parliament would function de facto as a Tribal polity. The reality however I think was that parliamentary democracy proved ineffective in the case of the Minmatar for a variety of reasons.

Sir, I strongly disagree with using word "ideal" in a proposition where representatives would be elected. That makes the system to act as a form of democracy, which is archaic and is one of the lest efficient management systems. Any democracy system in the end can be proven ineffective disregarding to the society it was applied to, which is based on a definition and basic principles of democratic approaches. Efficient and proper manager should be chosen to its position according to their education, training and experience, not by outsourcing the decision to unrelated persons, who will be way less experienced or educated.

The only acceptable way for elections to be efficient is when a manager or a delegate is voted on by his higher-ups (for example, board of directors), but not subordinates (example, workers, who have no idea how the management works).

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.