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Collective petition about fozziesov

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#121 - 2015-08-01 15:58:14 UTC
Hinamori Tsesuda wrote:
... but hey were you actually using those systems?...
Yes, we are. Now try think of all the ways that we do that aren't mining or ratting.
Give you a hint to start you off; there are other infrastructure hub upgrades.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#122 - 2015-08-01 16:00:30 UTC
So any way, now that the buggy whip manufacturers have vented their pwecious feewings about allowing those nasty horrible auto-mobiles on the roads...

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2015-08-01 16:01:07 UTC
Baki Yuku wrote:
Eli Stan wrote:


Your goal should be preventing anything from being reinforced in the first place. If you cannot do that, you do not effectively hold Sov of that system and you deserve to lose it, or get burned out trying to win the capture events. You should stop fighting over those systems you can't hold on to. Getting burned out is your punishment for trying to operate in the Dominion Sov paradigm.


Dunno what dream you are dreaming but keep dreaming while you dream that dream my alliance is holding an entire region and we have nowhere near enough dudes to be active in every system. Yet outside of "The Imperium", NC. & PL you cannot take it from us. Sure as hell you can RF some systems and even take some but can you actually life there? No you cannot we'd probably even let your ****** alliance number 1209 take a station wait for you to get settled and once you do we'd crush you with a hammer.
The new sov system does not change the fact that power is power. Just because you can take sov does not mean it is viable. The mare presence of a superior capital and super capital force is more than enough to keep full control of a region.


Yes, it's very obvious that a larger entity with supers can evict a smaller one. Aegis Sov wasn't meant to alter that. The question is whether you'll be able to handle, mentally, the challenges to your unoccupied areas (see the earlier post by Emma Kado on CORVOS's tactics.) If you enjoy the process of capturing command nodes and can avoid getting burned out from it, more power to ya! o7

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#124 - 2015-08-01 16:51:52 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
So any way, now that the buggy whip manufacturers have vented their pwecious feewings about allowing those nasty horrible auto-mobiles on the roads...

Not an empty quote.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 

Karer II
Doomheim
#125 - 2015-08-01 18:21:23 UTC
So. I saw two of the most frequent opinions: 1) you crying about your rent/RMT empire 2) you doing it wrong, adapt.

Well, let's see in facts.

Fact #1. Only one who can say "they doing RMT". This is CCP. If it says someone else, it's just unsubstantiated allegations. As coCEO I spend for my alliance 200$ per month for characters, hosting, licences and other stuff. I have good job and I don't need RMT.

Fact #2. In last half of year we gave 45% of space for friends, allies and small alliances who wants to try themself as sov-nullsec players. Space for free. For free, Carl! And process continues. Year ago all this space was under rent. When I read that the petition is aimed for preservation rent empire I laugh (like Philip Philipovich in novel "Heart of a Dog"). This is absolutly wrong. Fozziesov just boring and exhausting mechanics - that a point.

About adaptation. We (I mean GemiCo first) had two weeks of new Sov War. I wrote full and detailed report about one of them on Russian forum few days ago. Translation can be found here. We prepared doctrine, plan and changed fleet behaviour. What we got? Hours of rat race. In summary of two weeks we spent 22 hours, got 3 fights hit-a-run rat races. I was coordinator and for myself I got at least 15 of files with information about nodes, patrols and etc (like this). Eve always been a game of routine. But now amount of routine is max that I ever seen in last 7.5 years of my game in Eve. Fortunately I'm a programmer and I can try to help myself. Me and another guy from XIX made prototype in 2 days. Idk, why CCP didn't same thing. Maybe they just lazy. They happy cos their players not lazy.

Conclusion

We are not against Fozziesov at all. New mechanics can be enteresting. Really. Small groups, coordination, all pilots must be much more clever and etc. All it is good. But mechanics have too much bad parts right now. They must be fixed.
tekmin
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#126 - 2015-08-01 18:42:03 UTC
you guys are stuck in the old method, you got comfortable for years with sov now you have to adapt and actually "work" for your sov

hence you are bitchin


adapt or die as anything else in EVE :)

thanks for the hilarity of this post
Karer II
Doomheim
#127 - 2015-08-01 18:45:22 UTC
tekmin wrote:
you guys are stuck in the old method, you got comfortable for years with sov now you have to adapt and actually "work" for your sov

hence you are bitchin


adapt or die as anything else in EVE :)

thanks for the hilarity of this post


You guy is stuck in young age and can't into text.
tekmin
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#128 - 2015-08-01 18:50:20 UTC
Karer II wrote:
tekmin wrote:
you guys are stuck in the old method, you got comfortable for years with sov now you have to adapt and actually "work" for your sov

hence you are bitchin


adapt or die as anything else in EVE :)

thanks for the hilarity of this post


You guy is stuck in young age and can't into text.



what does that even mean?

Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#129 - 2015-08-01 18:52:33 UTC
Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.

Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one

Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 

Shonion
FREE GATES
FREE GATES COALITION
#130 - 2015-08-01 18:55:52 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.

Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one

Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.


+1 :)
Links of course
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2015-08-01 18:57:55 UTC
only thing i see here is russians crying that everything is on fire and they cant run their RMT empire anymore, because they dont have enough people to properly hold the sov they have, hell as much as i hate cfc they actually make smart decisions, such as downsizing their sov count to properly accomidate their entire memberbase
Karer II
Doomheim
#132 - 2015-08-01 19:02:42 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.


Aha, fozziesov is ok.
Silvia Heart
Farmhouse.
Simple Farmers
#133 - 2015-08-01 19:05:32 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.

Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one

Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.


So the answer is we should recruit everyone with a pulse and carebear till then end of eve.

Why fight when you can shoot rats and rocks all day?
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2015-08-01 19:13:46 UTC
Silvia Heart wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.

Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one

Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.


So the answer is we should recruit everyone with a pulse and carebear till then end of eve.

Why fight when you can shoot rats and rocks all day?


Or... try holding onto only one system per 100 alliance members?
Borascus
#135 - 2015-08-01 19:21:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Eli Stan wrote:


Or... try holding onto only one system per 100 alliance members?



Are targets going to be belt-ratting in unoccupied systems? At least there is something to engage in sov, and the owning alliance gets a mail to say 'turn up for fight'.

If the launcher explains that there are 20-40k players online any given time, and picturing that people log in / out every minute, it makes more sense for people online for more than an hour to own more systems than 1:100players, so they can co-ordinate fights.

Log-in, sit in system, wait for ratter. On the other side of the coin is 'log-in, wait to defend'. This is the reason interceptor entosis is not enjoyable, there is no fight, it's literally 'turn up here to see an interceptor'. The aggressing alliance should already have enough sov for their 1:100 pilot ratio, 14k pilots gives 140 systems? 828 empty systems? What about hi-sec/low-sec/wh players?

Null-sec sov holders want to own more sov than they can manage to have an abundance of possible fights.

600bil isk is 50 years of subscription if you aren't losing ships. Last I saw CCP had an e-mail address for plex purchases over 300.
Silvia Heart
Farmhouse.
Simple Farmers
#136 - 2015-08-01 19:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Silvia Heart
Eli Stan wrote:
Silvia Heart wrote:
Falin Whalen wrote:
Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.

Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one

Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.


So the answer is we should recruit everyone with a pulse and carebear till then end of eve.

Why fight when you can shoot rats and rocks all day?


Or... try holding onto only one system per 100 alliance members?


So my alliance should hold one constellation and carebear the **** out of it until we die of bordem?

We aren't going to get more fights that way, it promotes PVE to an extreme extent.

This change is toxic to eve, we get no fights, we get no fun and we spend stupid amounts of time orbiting a structure because one guy can spent 10min of his time to waste almost 2 hours of our time and we have to turn up to every single one because some moron thought it would be great to make it stay that way forever because defenders should turn up and waste massive amounts of time, even if the "attacker" (rolls eyes) has no intention of turning up because why? Because **** anyone trying to hold more then 1 system per 100 players?

Come down here and try holding sov you piece of **** and see how you like watching the guys you play the game with get less and less active and probably quit the game given enough time, all because some moron in CCP had a "good idea".

We didn't like dominion sov, but we ******* hate this coward carebear piece of **** that replaced it.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#137 - 2015-08-01 20:26:06 UTC
I don't care if you halve capital ship DPS and tank, give them a damn role already.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#138 - 2015-08-01 21:46:57 UTC
An amusing thing about this thread is that it's a repeat of the past. When Dominion came and it's sov system hit, we saw the same kind of discussion.

"You just don't like change"

"you don't like how small groups can come in and take your stuff because you can't just spam POSes anymore"

"you'll get used to it"

"the old system was stagnant, this one is much better, now all you have to do is shoot 1 I-Hub instead 20 POSes!!"


It's like Battlestar Galactica, this is happened before, and it will happen again, mainly because some people can't be critical of a thing until they've had 6 years of it to understand why it's bad.....

Good news is the year 2021 is right around the corner.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#139 - 2015-08-01 22:00:49 UTC
1. Reduce number of nodes to 5.

2. Leave entosis fitting requirements alone but reduce the time required to complete one-sided events (e.g. no defence or no offence). Maybe #1 is adequate for this but if not they should degrade over time.

3. Reduce the effect of the Sovereignty index - it should be less tedious to take space that is held but not used.

4. There should also be some sort of depletion mechanic to encourage resource competition. Moons? Or convert R32 and below to depleting mining sigs.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#140 - 2015-08-01 22:17:11 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
Goonswarm Federation: 103 systems, ~14k members. Very few systems being sovlazored. Fozzie sov is okay.

Legion of xXDEATHXx: 96 systems, ~1.7k members. OMG IT'S ALL ON FIRE FOZZIESOV SUX!!!1!1!!1!one

Shadow of xXDEATHXx: 253 systems, ~2k members. OMG FOZZIESOV SUX!!! CCP CHANGE IT!!!!1!!1!!!!111!one

I'm beginning to see a pattern here.


He shoots, HE SCORES!!!!

Some people are on the pitch......