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Collective petition about fozziesov

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#101 - 2015-08-01 10:42:21 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Slight alteration:

Make entosis link reduce speed to under 100m/s for ALL ships.

Can you please justify gimping "legit" combat fits with entosis link even when it is only specific denying fits that is the problem?
Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2015-08-01 11:05:48 UTC
Wow claim discrimination against null sec. That joke right?

What needs to change here is way of thinking. They need to stop claiming sov on those systems that they dont use. This will drastically reduce the entosing. Example the big populated systems in CFC have had no attempt to entosis(besides some obvious attempt to get you to fight). You wonder why? Cos they are heavelly populated. If you look at the systems that are been attacked, they are systems that have either no people or very few people in it. So example CFC needs to stop claiming those systems they dont use and therefore cant defend cos of the absurd amount of timers. This will cause much much less entosis timers. Mittani tried to counter this not by releasing systems but instead they tried to fill them up with renters. It has not worked. The new sov system was created to give greater chance for smaller entities to gain space and force the large ones to realease those systems they dont really use.

Stop blaiming fozzy sov or ships or other mechanics for your inability to hold a system which you obviously cant defend cos its stretches you alliance activities(entosis defence) way too much. Pull back and release those system for other entities the same way that the new sov was meant to be utilised. Dont and suffer the consequences!

Prior this, I want to ask how many big fight happened in the last year? Not much cos most of these entitties did not really fight each other. One coult speculate cos they got some kind of agreement and the blue donut was born.
The big fight will happen no matter what. I seriosly think it will cause a lot more animosity cos now you will have to relase systems you cant really control. Now who gets those systems and what will they do with them? Very interesting stuff.

Big battle will certainly happen when important systems will be contested. Sov is still new and everyone is learnign from mistakes and succescess of others and themselves. Everyone is watching.
Baki Yuku
Doomheim
#103 - 2015-08-01 11:53:53 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:


Your goal should be preventing anything from being reinforced in the first place. If you cannot do that, you do not effectively hold Sov of that system and you deserve to lose it, or get burned out trying to win the capture events. You should stop fighting over those systems you can't hold on to. Getting burned out is your punishment for trying to operate in the Dominion Sov paradigm.


Dunno what dream you are dreaming but keep dreaming while you dream that dream my alliance is holding an entire region and we have nowhere near enough dudes to be active in every system. Yet outside of "The Imperium", NC. & PL you cannot take it from us. Sure as hell you can RF some systems and even take some but can you actually life there? No you cannot we'd probably even let your ****** alliance number 1209 take a station wait for you to get settled and once you do we'd crush you with a hammer.
The new sov system does not change the fact that power is power. Just because you can take sov does not mean it is viable. The mare presence of a superior capital and super capital force is more than enough to keep full control of a region.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#104 - 2015-08-01 12:06:06 UTC
Throwing the gold apple in, "You don't use it for mining and ratting, so you are not using it and deserve to lose it. This makes it easy for small alliances to get some space," seems to be the general counter argument.

1) Said many times, there is more than those two ways to use systems.
2) Easy into space, easy out. These systems are honey traps and make delicious snacks for the huge estabilished alliances to farm and feed upon.

This is not some amazing equality mechanics, it is annoying for defenders who are griefed and it is devastatingly crushing for the naive.

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Jeanne Tivianne
#105 - 2015-08-01 12:24:12 UTC
*Straps into her seat and slaps a helmet on, popcorn in hand*

Oh ho ho, this thread is going places, and I am ready for the ride.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#106 - 2015-08-01 12:28:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
Jeeez, learn 2 think, it not too hard to get the solution: From Rental to Extortion... and just get a bigger coalition than your neighbour > problem solved

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#107 - 2015-08-01 12:31:29 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Jeeez, learn 2 think, it not too hard to get the solution: From Rental to Extortion... and just get a bigger coalition than your neighbour > problem solved


That would require being able to make credible threats.

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Glasgow Dunlop
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#108 - 2015-08-01 12:37:15 UTC
1) where is popcorn?

2) do you have salted caramel popcorn?

3) I <3 new sov.

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Baki Yuku
Doomheim
#109 - 2015-08-01 12:46:51 UTC
Glasgow Dunlop wrote:

3) I <3 new sov.


Because you don't care about it thats why you love it. For people who don't care about it and all they care about is griefing potential the new system sure is amazing no denying that. Now if that makes a good system thats a different question entirely.
Silvia Heart
Farmhouse.
Simple Farmers
#110 - 2015-08-01 12:50:26 UTC
Shonion wrote:
It is working as intend.

There are no sov wars ongoing in EVE or just some small scale local fights for not much important systems or taking space undefended. Almost 3 weeks spent in the new system, and its visilbe, that if you not live in your space, your defense multiplier will be close to 1 and you can easily lost the system. You shouldn't own regions without manpower and ppl living out there. Thats the point.

As someone already mentioned earlier, the new system prefer the preventing defense, so if you live there, your defens multiplier is high then troll ceptors will need 60 mins for reinforce anything in a 3 hour window and your primary interest to defend yous space preventively, so kill that damn ceptor.

Well if you not live there, you deserve to lose that space... the old style renter empires are over. Goons already adapting instead of typing wall of text on forum.


This is funny coming from someone who has no sov and does nothing but fly troll ceptors. We've tried fighting nulli, all we've found is they run away even faster then darkeshi.

I have nothing really against the idea of fozzie sov but its just so broken and lopsided.

My suggestions for fixing it (everyone who has sov has some).
-Hard cap the speed of etosis ships, T1 1000m/s T2 1500m/s
-If no nodes are being attacked the defender gets 5% back ever hour.

Done fixed, maybe then we'll get some fights out of this joke instead of experiencing world of cowards.
Erick Asmock
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#111 - 2015-08-01 12:56:02 UTC
I love FozzieSOV!

It's so good we should allow it to affect all stations and structures in all of New Eden. At the very minimum LS and NPC NS....

I mean it's great right? Everyone should be given the opportunity to love FozzieSOV in game by promulgating it everywhere.

In all seriousness...it's boring. FozzieSOV is boring to defend and it is boring to attack.

Fozzie (and his team) have replaced one type of grind with a more horrible type of grind.

CCP has allowed the rise of a juvenile level of play with FozzieSOV that in the end will cause major power blocks to become bigger and stronger.

CCP continues to ignore and understand the human condition and how it affects the sandbox. Making Game Mechanics that run counter to that tide only destroy a game.

The best quote I have heard from a member of an entosis fleet, "This is worse than mining"


That said...I think everyone should be given the opportunity to "Adapt" to a horrible and boring mechanic.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#112 - 2015-08-01 12:58:47 UTC
IMO fozziesov is awful and basically undercuts alot of what was unique to eve. It shouldnt have been implemented and it should be rolled back.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

TiMeZeRo225
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#113 - 2015-08-01 13:18:34 UTC
To those who say that "you should not claim more than you can actually occupy" - i can hardly see any changes regarding the number of sov holding alliances after the fozziesov.
In other words - the sov change was intended to make people actually go and capture 0.0 space, but someone had forgotten that it's actually held by big nullsec alliances that will protect it.
And it actually does't matter if someone will claim some god forgotten system anywhere in space - those guys won't be able to live there cause the same big sov holding alliance will sit in it 24\7 and\or just pop any incoming ships. I think the correct term is "power projection".
That's why we have what we have, and such changes as fozziesov will never change it.

CCP has to understand 1 simple thing - people come to 0.0 for blob warfare, so the only thing they have to change is to create something worthy to fight for. Currenly, sov itself brings no such benefits (r64 moons, for example, are not sov-dependent at all).

So i would like to support the OP and ask CCP to respect the hours that nullsec players had spent capturing all that they have and stop that crap with entosis-inties. (been there, done that. 20 minutes to RF a station in a lone intie ! really ?)
At least make the same as siege mechanics (speed 0, PG \ CPU depentent, BC \ BS size, etc etc).

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#114 - 2015-08-01 13:27:59 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Zappity wrote:
It seems to be promoting skirmishes but not battles. I would be concerned about the missing half of the equation if I was CCP.

Battles will happen when people stop trolling and make a serious push at actually capturing a new area of space.
Of course battles don't happen if all you are doing is trolling around the edges of someone's sov.


So it takes "some getting serious". If so that demonstrates the flawed base of this system. I know everyone hated DominonSov, I didn't like it either, but in that system and the "POS SPAM" system before if, you HAD to come in "serious" in the 1st place if you wanted to do anything with sov.

The 'focus' of this sov system is off, and one of the side effects is that it does produce boring cat and mouse skirmishes rather than encouraging people to actually fight.. This gives big groups the ability to wear smaller groups down even easier than in dominion Sov, already I'm finding it harder and harder to join up with a fleet because I kow it's going to be a hour or two of chasing/killing ceptors and fighting Slippery pete Tengus or hit and run "but not serious about sov" Tornado or T3D gangs.

It's just not fun at all. I'm amazed at how Fozzie group could take something fairly grindy and boring (dominion sov and it's structure grinding) and make it MORE boring (mininglaserSov).

Fozzie said in an interview that it was between this system and a kind of "sovless Sov". From where I'm sitting, they chose wrong, sovless sov might have been way better than this current experience, CCP "iterating" on this system will simply be the act of polishing a turd.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2015-08-01 13:51:50 UTC
Baki Yuku wrote:
Dunno what dream you are dreaming but keep dreaming while you dream that dream my alliance is holding an entire region and we have nowhere near enough dudes to be active in every system. Yet outside of "The Imperium", NC. & PL you cannot take it from us. Sure as hell you can RF some systems and even take some but can you actually life there? No you cannot we'd probably even let your ****** alliance number 1209 take a station wait for you to get settled and once you do we'd crush you with a hammer.
The new sov system does not change the fact that power is power. Just because you can take sov does not mean it is viable. The mare presence of a superior capital and super capital force is more than enough to keep full control of a region.

Sure enough, but why?
Ofc you can keep doing what you are doing, but burnout will be real.

That's not to say that current system don't have to be tweaked, but gotta face what we have right now.
Escobar Slim III
YOLOSWAGHASHTAGDOLLARBILLZSWIMMINGPOOLICECREAMS
#116 - 2015-08-01 13:58:21 UTC
I personally believe that some nullsecs are unable to do fozzie sov because some out there in our game don't even have maps and I believe that our education in the new system like such as in Scadling Pass and the Thrium Reach and everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should practice sov when the lowsec and pvp comes to take it, our education over here in the nullsecs should help the nulls., and should help nullsecs understand the need of small fight and not big and should help the future and the Rus renter allices, so we will be able to build up our future for our children play new eve's fozzie sov and make greater battle but smaller.

this is the future where no more big renter blib. and no crying change it and threats not welcomed at all said.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#117 - 2015-08-01 14:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Baki Yuku wrote:
Glasgow Dunlop wrote:

3) I <3 new sov.
Because you don't care about it thats why you love it. For people who don't care about it and all they care about is griefing potential the new system sure is amazing no denying that. Now if that makes a good system thats a different question entirely.
For emphasis. I think this is the motive behind most of the noise supporting Fozzie SOV.

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Crazy Mineer
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
#118 - 2015-08-01 14:54:07 UTC
i have nothing to do with sov living in lowsec but you have my axe and my merry band of men
PromisedOne
Blazing Capsules
Already Replaced.
#119 - 2015-08-01 15:16:18 UTC
As a casual pvper I have to say this last month has been the absolute crap experience since the old POS spam days. I would rather have Dominion sov back over this turd. Fozzie has is essence head shotted all of null sec in one patch. Went from finding gangs of roaming T3 cruisers, BCs, and other things in enemy space to only finding interceptors galore and T3 destroyers. All the "good fights" have died out. I think we need to force all the CCP employees to join a new alliance out here in null sec and troll ceptor the **** out of them.
Hinamori Tsesuda
The Catalan Grand Company
Asteria Concord.
#120 - 2015-08-01 15:27:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Hinamori Tsesuda
I can understand that people don't like change and that those notifications popping up all the time might be annoying, but hey were you actually using those systems?

Dominion was stagnant, tedious and mostly just a pain.
You'd have a target or two, reinforce it or them, wait and then blap it.
All very nice if you like reading or have a show you can watch.
Not much difference between taking SOV, Stations, POSes or POCOs...

Then comes fozziesov... (Still not finished as far as I can see)
Yeah! It needs tweaking, but hey its CCP!
Its a race and exausting, but having sov isn't suposed to be "We don't use the system, but cyno in the CAPS!"
Hey, if you actually used the system and it is under attack, you would know "who, what and where"
Also... Wait for it... It's you SOV, you defend it!

Apologies for ranting slightly, but contiuing on....

Most of the points by OP are mostly mewling that the safety of Dominion SOV is no longer there. They can no longer "sell or buy" systems. Oh, and renters can nab the sov... if they so please, after all its them using not you...

To conclude, I believe that fozziesov is here to stay, though tweaked.

Yours, rambling slightly
Hinamori Tsesuda