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Pondering genetics.

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Feilamya
#21 - 2011-12-15 23:12:04 UTC
Genetics is irelevant.
99% of the human DNA is identical to the DNA of a monkey.
Guess how much of the remaining 1% encodes the difference between different individuals of our species.

The bulk of human diversity is encoded in "software" and transported between individuals and generations through language. This process has been even further accelerated by the internet.

Language has taken evolution to the next level. It is the only "DNA" that matters to us for all practical purposes.


Besides, we have hands, which, combined with our ability to communicate, to work in teams, to build and share tools, allow us to adapt our surroundings to our needs, so we don't have to adapt to our surroundings. We don't need to wait a million years for evolution to make us grow body hair to protect ourselves against the cold. Instead, we could kill other animals and weir their furs, if the synthetic materials we can make weren's so much more effective.


LOL genetics ...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#22 - 2011-12-16 01:17:45 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
I have been reading about genetics lately and one thing that occurs to me is that people breed like vermin, giving in to their base desires too young. Then they complain that they lose vigour and or die too young. Yet, that stems from genetic selection. We are *not* breeding with mostly people that live long and vigorous lives.

Another problem that stems from young parents is maturity and the poor emotional upbringing that they give their children, lowering the quality of society.

The other interesting thing is that occasionally bacteria trade genes to each other. However, we produce young with genetic variety to make our species more resistant to parasites, bacteria and viruses. Why don't we use recombination to swop genetic material between us to improve each other? Just grow differently as we replenish our cells every seven years? It wouldn't be traumatic changes either as it would be gradual. Additionally, the replenishment might increase how long we can live.




Try not to pretend you are amongst the uegenics-minded elites. Chances are you didn't get any memos not to drink the flouride and take the vaccinations, so you are not one of them.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Vicker Lahn'se
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2011-12-16 02:53:07 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Random mutation would be more likely than everyone requiring corrected vision.


The thing is, the genes that affect eyesight also affect other parts of the body. This is true for any macroscopic aspect of the human body, as each organ is made up of complex network of smaller functional units. It has been shown that if you capture wild wolves and breed them for several generations for specific traits preferred in domesticated animals, such as friendliness, they start looking more like the dogs we have as pets, with floppy ears and such. They didn't breed the wolves for floppy ears. They bred them for good temper; the floppy ears were a side effect.

A gene might affect eyesight and simultaneously code for a certain aspect of brain function. An atrophied optic nerve could make room for more development in another region of the nervous system.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#24 - 2011-12-16 16:25:54 UTC
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Jenshae Chiroptera
#25 - 2011-12-17 02:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Just picking out a few things that I notice in a quick read.
Feilamya wrote:
Genetics is irelevant.
99 percent of the human DNA is identical to the DNA of a monkey.
LOL genetics ...

Monkey's don't have immune systems? It is not 99 percent like a monkey, it is 99 percent like a Chimpanzee. Roll
stoicfaux wrote:

Party like it's 1927?

I did make passing reference to that but wanted this to be more about why we have no evolved with re-combination to improve each other rather than only our children.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
American Eugenics Society founded in 1922 .

Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
There is, however, evolutionary pressure for human children to be smarter. Smarter people have a higher chance of successfully mating. Bigger brains mean bigger heads. Will there come a day when human beings are no longer capable of natural births without the aid of a c-section operation?

Then why are hand-egg and soccer players lauded whilst geeks are ostracised, bullied or made fun of? Take all the black humour toward Hawkings for a clear example.

Why do we have trade unions? To protect our obsolete relics. We no longer need big muscular men. We don't need most men at all. They have too much unexpressed anger due to their testosterone, which they express in some really bad ways. For an extreme example, wars are a good way to get rid of excessive and low intelligence males, men commit indecent assault, not for sex but for violence and to feel they have significance.


Back on main plot of the topic:

Recombination and why we have not evolved it.
I believe that I have found the answer to that puzzle. It has not evolved because the only way it could naturally occur is for women to get the benefit, while men would only have the demand of material and energy. The process is not reversible. Thus if there were women with this and they were recombining instead of producing children, they might be thought of as barren and sent off to a convent or out into the snow to die.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Vicker Lahn'se
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-12-17 10:41:48 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Just picking out a few things that I notice in a quick read.
Feilamya wrote:
Genetics is irelevant.
99 percent of the human DNA is identical to the DNA of a monkey.
LOL genetics ...

Monkey's don't have immune systems? It is not 99 percent like a monkey, it is 99 percent like a Chimpanzee. Roll
stoicfaux wrote:

Party like it's 1927?

I did make passing reference to that but wanted this to be more about why we have no evolved with re-combination to improve each other rather than only our children.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
American Eugenics Society founded in 1922 .

Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
There is, however, evolutionary pressure for human children to be smarter. Smarter people have a higher chance of successfully mating. Bigger brains mean bigger heads. Will there come a day when human beings are no longer capable of natural births without the aid of a c-section operation?

Then why are hand-egg and soccer players lauded whilst geeks are ostracised, bullied or made fun of? Take all the black humour toward Hawkings for a clear example.

Why do we have trade unions? To protect our obsolete relics. We no longer need big muscular men. We don't need most men at all. They have too much unexpressed anger due to their testosterone, which they express in some really bad ways. For an extreme example, wars are a good way to get rid of excessive and low intelligence males, men commit indecent assault, not for sex but for violence and to feel they have significance.


Back on main plot of the topic:

Recombination and why we have not evolved it.
I believe that I have found the answer to that puzzle. It has not evolved because the only way it could naturally occur is for women to get the benefit, while men would only have the demand of material and energy. The process is not reversible. Thus if there were women with this and they were recombining instead of producing children, they might be thought of as barren and sent off to a convent or out into the snow to die.


You know, sexism works in both directions.

Think of an obnoxious man who's trying to reason with you why he thinks men are superior. That's you right now.
Fawcks
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-12-17 11:32:50 UTC
This is why I became a Kroot Shaper. I just eat stuff and take the DNA I want and use it to my own ends. End of problem.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#28 - 2011-12-18 12:57:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
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You know, sexism works in both directions.

Think of an obnoxious man who's trying to reason with you why he thinks men are superior. That's you right now.

I am not interested in being drawn into an emotional debate. We as a species don't need so many men, it is in fact detrimental to our world now.

Let us go over a few things. Men's brains are larger than women's getting close to the size that a Neanderthal had. Women's on the other hand are closer to the size of a gorilla. Woops! Am I being sexist against women now? Which side am I playing for? Shocked

No. I am as ever stating what I have read and applying it to my own thoughts, which I try to keep within logical bounds. Now, the phenomenon of the corpus callosum is rather an interesting one. The male's is thinner than the woman's, thus they tend to have things divided in their minds as an example of this, ask a women how they are feeling and they can telling you, "I am frustrated because of the system as work but I am feeling a bit depressed because of the weather while I am feeling some anticipation towards tonight's supper, my significant other is making it!" while a man will respond, "I am fine." Why? Their speech centres are on one side and the emotional ones are on the other.
Results of this are that a man when under intense emotions will act out, throw a punch, yell, be unable to enunciate properly, hoot with joy and for the more subtle sort, such as feeling depressed, down trodden and such, they might go on EVE and gank someone to express how screwed up they are feeling inside. Twisted
Is it all bad? No. How many women physicist, composers, mathematicians and so forth can you name? Maybe 5? Maybe 10? (There is an explanation for even those few that supports all this but it is many more steps than I am willing to type out at this juncture)
Why is that? Why are there so many more men that can do all that deeply abstract thinking? Their smaller link between the hemispheres of their brain allows for their frontal lobes to specialise.
Mean while, women tend to make better social workers, managers, human resources and even advertising personnel because they can empathise and multi-task so much better.

Now, next time you go pointing the finger, do consider that it might be a reflection on how you are reading it and how you feel, projecting a meaning and innuendo that isn't there.

Fawcks wrote:
This is why I became a Kroot Shaper. I just eat stuff and take the DNA I want and use it to my own ends. End of problem.


Big smileP

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#29 - 2011-12-18 14:28:22 UTC
Your knowledge of the brain and mental processes is at the kindergarten stage. When we tell the simplified lies to later teach you more elaborate lies which will eventually result in actually understanding some glimmers of actual truth.

Where you go wrong is assuming you understand enough to make judgements. I'd reason with you but it is clear you've already made up your mind. Also every sentence in your last post would need a facepalming response but I can't be bothered to make the effort.

We as a species don't need so many ignorant people like you. Something to think about. Ugh
Jenshae Chiroptera
#30 - 2011-12-18 20:07:20 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Your knowledge .... Ugh


I am talking to the level of my audience and if that is landing at a pre-school level ... well then ... Blink

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Vicker Lahn'se
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-12-19 15:44:59 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
...
You know, sexism works in both directions.

Think of an obnoxious man who's trying to reason with you why he thinks men are superior. That's you right now.

I am not interested in being drawn into an emotional debate. We as a species don't need so many men, it is in fact detrimental to our world now.

Let us go over a few things. Men's brains are larger than women's getting close to the size that a Neanderthal had. Women's on the other hand are closer to the size of a gorilla. Woops! Am I being sexist against women now? Which side am I playing for? Shocked

No. I am as ever stating what I have read and applying it to my own thoughts, which I try to keep within logical bounds. Now, the phenomenon of the corpus callosum is rather an interesting one. The male's is thinner than the woman's, thus they tend to have things divided in their minds as an example of this, ask a women how they are feeling and they can telling you, "I am frustrated because of the system as work but I am feeling a bit depressed because of the weather while I am feeling some anticipation towards tonight's supper, my significant other is making it!" while a man will respond, "I am fine." Why? Their speech centres are on one side and the emotional ones are on the other.
Results of this are that a man when under intense emotions will act out, throw a punch, yell, be unable to enunciate properly, hoot with joy and for the more subtle sort, such as feeling depressed, down trodden and such, they might go on EVE and gank someone to express how screwed up they are feeling inside. Twisted
Is it all bad? No. How many women physicist, composers, mathematicians and so forth can you name? Maybe 5? Maybe 10? (There is an explanation for even those few that supports all this but it is many more steps than I am willing to type out at this juncture)
Why is that? Why are there so many more men that can do all that deeply abstract thinking? Their smaller link between the hemispheres of their brain allows for their frontal lobes to specialise.
Mean while, women tend to make better social workers, managers, human resources and even advertising personnel because they can empathise and multi-task so much better.

Now, next time you go pointing the finger, do consider that it might be a reflection on how you are reading it and how you feel, projecting a meaning and innuendo that isn't there.

Fawcks wrote:
This is why I became a Kroot Shaper. I just eat stuff and take the DNA I want and use it to my own ends. End of problem.


Big smileP


The only claim I made was that you are sexist. Your rather lengthy response makes it abundantly clear that this is true. What exactly are you getting at? Does it upset you that people want men and women to be treated equally?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#32 - 2011-12-19 18:08:59 UTC
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
...
The only claim I made was that you are sexist. Your rather lengthy response makes it abundantly clear that this is true. What exactly are you getting at? Does it upset you that people want men and women to be treated equally?


I must ... I must ... I must resist!

Roll
*Hides the troll food.*

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Landrae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-12-19 20:33:59 UTC
World needs more Chimeras that will fix everything!
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-12-19 21:42:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Ok, here comes some ingenious razzle dazzle to counteract some of the uneducated half baked opinions here.




We do not die because we have to, we die because we evolved to do so. If you work in the medical field you will understand what happens to a large portion of the human population as they age. Even if our cells were not hard coded to stop dividing, each and every human being would amass a wealth of their own personal body changing events. Take for example a simple toe corn. It is a simple enough of an example, life creates it and makes it grow, much like the force only much more disgusting. It gets to a certain size in a human lifetime if left unchecked, but think what would happen if that person lived many times longer?

Cavities, infection, injury, U.V damage to the eyes,Auto-immune diseases, environmental toxins, (did you know your bones never stop growing like fingernails) or simply a Q-tip put to deeply into an ear that results in a small measure of hearing loss. Each and every tiny infraction would culminate until the host body would be unrecognizable in comparison to a second host body. Each exceedingly long lived human would would become it's own unique version of itself, as it collected anomalies over long periods of time. The longer the lifespan of said organism the greater this divergence would be.



Biology has two choices...

1. Create a functionality that is capable of repairing and restoring itself indefinably
2. Create organic function that commits seppuku after it has created the next generation that starts from scratch.




Aspect 1.
cannot exist because our biological make up is simply not intelligent enough to do this. If it was, people would not be born with so many genetic anomalies and diseases. If the body was smart, then the body of a type 1 diabetic would be able to look into it's own genetic make up and say "hey I am not making insulin? Lets generate some beta cells so I can live a normal healthy life" This never happens because the body is stupid. It has the genetic code, it has the stem cells and it has everything it needs to do this... but it does not.


Aspect 2. by hard coding biology to destroy itself after so many cellular divisions, evolution ensures that a species remains uniform by constantly starting from scratch, over and over again, in the next generation. Reproducing in mass makes this process more effective (not smart mind you, very very stupid and blind but effective none the less) and so humans are doing what their evolution has always dictated them to do.



So you see, your biology is 100% capable of being mostly immortal and regenerating itself indefinitely. But this requires far to much effort and intelligence then it is capable of. So like so many humans who choose the easy paths in their existence in order to "get by" in life, evolution has done the same for you. You are in a form that will deliberately destroy itself in order to maintain the symmetry of it's species.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#35 - 2011-12-19 22:07:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
The Sexist Reply



Did you know that a woman's l*bia is a latent scr*tum and her c*ito*is is really an undersized p*n*s? Don't believe me? Well I bet you didn't know that 1/3 of women climax through their urethra either... yep just like men do.




A great example of how mistakenly "dived the sexes are" can be seen in the side effects of drug called propecia. That is the medication that helps hair loss and has a 1:30 chance for you to lose your p*nis (seriously google it Shocked) The thing is that so many men have balding issues tons of men are also getting the side effects. What it does is it turns off your body's ability to create testosterone, when that happens your t*sticles can atrophy, you lose not only all sexual desire but also sexual sensation... and your man junk can shrink to 1/4 of it's original size in a matter of days.


Similar in a weird kind of way to a man taking steroids and growing women's boobs.
Or maybe a transsexual taking hormone replacement therapy and attaining masculine/feminine features.




What is the point of this sexist post?


Your so called gendered body is built upon a non-gendered construct. In typical fetal development, the presence of the SRY gene causes the fetal gonads to become testes; the absence of it allows the gonads to continue to develop into ovaries. So you send a part of the body a message and it does what it does. Without these messages constantly being sent you would not be a sexual being, you would have no sexual desire and no sexual sensation of any kind. No joke... Propecia and it's side effects proves this beyond any shadow of a doubt.






So the moral of this post is two fold


1. not as much divides the sexes as you might think, because your body in it's resting state is neither male nor female. Without the messages being constantly sent to it, it become a uni-gendered, non-sexual being born from a badly written star trek episode. Disturbing yea?


2. Buy your bottle of Propecia today! you have a 29 in 1 chance of getting mild hair regrowth, and 1 in 30 shot at losing your junk and all of the happiness it brings for the rest of your adult life!

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Vicker Lahn'se
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-12-19 23:39:02 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
The Sexist Reply



Did you know that a woman's l*bia is a latent scr*tum and her c*ito*is is really an undersized p*n*s? Don't believe me? Well I bet you didn't know that 1/3 of women climax through their urethra either... yep just like men do.




A great example of how mistakenly "dived the sexes are" can be seen in the side effects of drug called propecia. That is the medication that helps hair loss and has a 1:30 chance for you to lose your p*nis (seriously google it Shocked) The thing is that so many men have balding issues tons of men are also getting the side effects. What it does is it turns off your body's ability to create testosterone, when that happens your t*sticles can atrophy, you lose not only all sexual desire but also sexual sensation... and your man junk can shrink to 1/4 of it's original size in a matter of days.


Similar in a weird kind of way to a man taking steroids and growing women's boobs.
Or maybe a transsexual taking hormone replacement therapy and attaining masculine/feminine features.




What is the point of this sexist post?


Your so called gendered body is built upon a non-gendered construct. In typical fetal development, the presence of the SRY gene causes the fetal gonads to become testes; the absence of it allows the gonads to continue to develop into ovaries. So you send a part of the body a message and it does what it does. Without these messages constantly being sent you would not be a sexual being, you would have no sexual desire and no sexual sensation of any kind. No joke... Propecia and it's side effects proves this beyond any shadow of a doubt.






So the moral of this post is two fold


1. not as much divides the sexes as you might think, because your body in it's resting state is neither male nor female. Without the messages being constantly sent to it, it become a uni-gendered, non-sexual being born from a badly written star trek episode. Disturbing yea?


2. Buy your bottle of Propecia today! you have a 29 in 1 chance of getting mild hair regrowth, and 1 in 30 shot at losing your junk and all of the happiness it brings for the rest of your adult life!


While I prescribe to the "non-sexist" camp, I'll head off the sexists out there by asking the question that I know they will ask:

"How do you know that the chemical signal that causes changes in one's genitalia do not also affect the brain? It's clear that these signals affect other parts of the body, giving a man broad shoulders and a woman curvy hips. It's also clear that a woman's mood is affected by her menstrual cycle. People who take testosterone pills become very aggressive. etc. etc."

Sebastian LaFleur
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-12-19 23:47:07 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
We do not die because we have to, we die because we evolved to do so. If you work in the medical field you will understand what happens to a large portion of the human population as they age. Even if our cells were not hard coded to stop dividing, each and every human being would amass a wealth of their own personal body changing events.


While you are correct that "we do not die because we have to", I have to disagree with you in that we have evolved to do so. There is no incentive for evolution to develop organisms that have to die. Take oxygen for example. Oxygen is a poison. Because of the high reactivity of oxygen it will lead to, if not countered, degradation of cellular functions and eventually to death of the cell. But precisely because of this quality of oxygen, it has been advantageous for organisms to evolve to use it in energy metabolism by the reduction of oxygen with electrons from carbohydrates. This produces much more energy in the form of ATP (or adenosine triphosphate) than using some other element in reduction like anoxygenic bacteria do. To counter the harmful effects of oxygen, oxygen using organisms have evolved several mechanisms to transform the harmful oxygen radicals to less harmful forms. But eventually oxygen will kill us (...indirectly).

Also, due to the nature of DNA replication, the DNA strands get shorter and shorter after each replication and this will eventually lead to degradation of the genetic code, loss of cellular functions and programmed cell death (or apoptosis). To counter this, organisms with linear chromosomes have evolved to include telomerase sequences to the ends of the DNA strands. These sequences do not code of any function, but allow the cell to maintain its functions longer. Incidentally, cancer cells develop when the programmed cell death is not functioning, which allows the cancer cells to replicate indefinitely. Cancer cells also have the ability to regenerate the telomerase sequences, thus extending the cells ability to replicate.

So, we die because of the accumulated effects of genetic degradation and diseases, not because we have evolved to die (since the ability to counter the harmful effects of living is there. It just isn't good enough to keep organisms alive forever.)

Quote:
Biology has two choices...

1. Create a functionality that is capable of repairing and restoring itself indefinably
2. Create organic function that commits seppuku after it has created the next generation that starts from scratch.

Aspect 1. cannot exist because our biological make up is simply not intelligent enough to do this.


There is a species of jellyfish, Turritopsis nutricula, in which an individual (in theory) can live forever. This is because it has the ability to revert from sexually mature form to juvenile polyp form and start the development towards sexually mature form again. However, the individuals die because of predation and diseases etc., so in practice there probably isn't any immortal individuals. But in sheltered environments the potential is there, so there is no biological barrier for living forever.

Quote:
Aspect 2. by hard coding biology to destroy itself after so many cellular divisions, evolution ensures that a species remains uniform by constantly starting from scratch, over and over again, in the next generation.


I see a misunderstanding of the mechanisms of evolution here. Evolution can not produce adaptations to future environments. Saying that organisms have evolved to die to "ensure that a species remains uniform by constantly starting from scratch" is like saying that evolution has retained functional gills in terrestrial animals just in case there should be a flood happening in the future...

Expand consciousness. Travel without moving. 

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-12-20 00:56:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Sebastian LaFleu, your well reasoned and thought out post is a rare find on these forums Big smile and so i shall endeavor to do the same.

Quote:

Cancer cells also have the ability to regenerate the telomerase sequences, thus extending the cells ability to replicate


This strongly suggests that with a little evolutionary incentive, all lifeforms on earth could extend their current life expectancy. How much is unknown, but it is not a far reach to say that it could be doubled throughout the animal kingdom. Perhaps multiplied many fold. This incentive however does not exist because evolution instead favored the recipe of the multiplication of offspring, in place of longer lived parents.



Quote:
There is a species of jellyfish,


Thx for this I totally forgot these little gems existed Blink



Quote:
I see a misunderstanding of the mechanisms of evolution here. Evolution can not produce adaptations to future environments. Saying that organisms have evolved to die to "ensure that a species remains uniform by constantly starting from scratch" is like saying that evolution has retained functional gills in terrestrial animals just in case there should be a flood happening in the future...



I don't think this pertains to my post, but for the sake of intelligent debate...

What I meant was this. If you keep walking barefoot and develop a calsie you assume it can only get so big because you can only live so long. Extend the amount of time involved and it gets bigger and then it gets infected. That does not seem like much until you realize that your walking funny and now your knees and back start to hurt. Arthritis and degeneration sets in and soon these joints are changing shape, all the while the skin on your foot is getting thicker because of the calise that just wont heal. When arthritis sets in this starts to happen


(here is where the forums ate the rest of my post so I will bridge EvilEvilCry)



.......the result is that beings with a longer life expectancy will become unrecognizable vs their original blueprint, in the vast majority of the population. This process is amplified the longer that said being exists, and is compounded by each associated living being comprising it's race.


The body is not "smart enough" to eradicate this process
So it instead eradicates the parent being in favor of offspring that will start at ground zero, or from the original blueprint.







Proof That Human Genes Could Probably Live Forever


The genetic code carried in your sperm will have so little degradation over centuries that it can sire thousands of years of descendants. The code in your sperm, bonded with the code in an human egg has no life expectancy. It can regenerate itself forever without any noticeable decay that would interfere with the creation of another human being.


So if your sperm can?
Then why can't any of your other cells?


The answer is cancer cells can too... and every cell in your body could also if the had the inclination to do so. But death and procreation in mass, is simply an easier way to get things done. It is also the path of least resistance, which is a whole diff evolutionary debate altogether.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-12-20 01:15:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
While I prescribe to the "non-sexist" camp, I'll head off the sexists out there by asking the question that I know they will ask:

"How do you know that the chemical signal that causes changes in one's genitalia do not also affect the brain? It's clear that these signals affect other parts of the body, giving a man broad shoulders and a woman curvy hips. It's also clear that a woman's mood is affected by her menstrual cycle. People who take testosterone pills become very aggressive. etc. etc."




Sure Lol

But it does not change the neutral pamphlet upon which we are based upon. In terms of the male vs female brains, men will tend to gauge a relationship in terms of sexual fidelity and infidelity. The reason for this, at least from an evolutionary standpoint, is do to the fact that men need to sire their seed into the next generation. So our one sided way of thinking is advantageous when you look at it from that perspective Twisted

Alternatively, most women will judge their relationship in terms of emotional bonding. The supposed evolutionary reason for this is to ensure that those same offspring will have a male present who can provide for her while she is focusing on rearing the young in it's earliest stages of life. In this modern era of "i am women hear me roar" we often forget the basic ways of nature that preceded our civilization.

When you have a baby bump...
It is good to have a guy who is emotionally invested in your child bringing home something dead so you can eat it. Amiright?




So yes, gender is also expressed in areas of the brain as well. However some men are more girly than others and some women have bone structure that would make you not want to meet them in a dark alley. Some men are all about the emotions and some women are all about the sex. So... it is not exactly a constant throughout our entire species if you get what I mean.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#40 - 2011-12-20 02:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Feilamya wrote:
Genetics is irelevant.
99% of the human DNA is identical to the DNA of a monkey.
Guess how much of the remaining 1% encodes the difference between different individuals of our species.

The bulk of human diversity is encoded in "software" and transported between individuals and generations through language. This process has been even further accelerated by the internet.

Language has taken evolution to the next level. It is the only "DNA" that matters to us for all practical purposes...


All these intelligent replies I failed to notice this idiot.



If this fool bothered to keep up 2 date with lol genetics, he might know that science is beginning to discover that those "useless strands" that he is referring too convey things like instincts and genetic memory. Not to mention it has been common knowledge for a long time that it functions as an evolutionary library of all that preceded you.


LoL people who think they understand genetics... and think that they have it all figured out in their tiny little minds.
Here is laughing at you kid. Lol



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