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Get rid of the Nex Store and make clothing a part of the game as an apology
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Valei Khurelem
#1 - 2011-12-08 09:55:55 UTC
Something simple like this would go a long way to restoring the trust between CCP and the players, I still don't trust you as much as I'd like to because frankly, the Nex Store was the biggest **** move I've seen in the games industry since DRM, the NGE and Combat Upgrade patch in Star Wars Galaxies.

If you want to prove to us the majority of you are on the level, then remove the nex store entirely and perhaps consider giving the clothing you created for the store either away for free or make it so we can manufacture it and the people who want this sort of thing might feel its a worthwhile use of their time playing dress up with their characters. If you just try to sweep this under the rug and keep the nex store hidden for a few months and then suddenly try to advertise it again and add more items people will notice and they won't like it.

The best way you can make more money for your other projects is to provide genuine content to players, not rip them off with items that took you a couple of days to model and texture.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Mindnut
Rockbiter Industries
#2 - 2011-12-08 10:26:13 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Something simple like this would go a long way to restoring the trust between CCP and the players, I still don't trust you as much as I'd like to because frankly, the Nex Store was the biggest **** move I've seen in the games industry since DRM, the NGE and Combat Upgrade patch in Star Wars Galaxies.

If you want to prove to us the majority of you are on the level, then remove the nex store entirely and perhaps consider giving the clothing you created for the store either away for free or make it so we can manufacture it and the people who want this sort of thing might feel its a worthwhile use of their time playing dress up with their characters. If you just try to sweep this under the rug and keep the nex store hidden for a few months and then suddenly try to advertise it again and add more items people will notice and they won't like it.

The best way you can make more money for your other projects is to provide genuine content to players, not rip them off with items that took you a couple of days to model and texture.


I didn't like the idea of NeX store either, but as long as they're selling clothes that don't give other players an advantage I guess it's ok. I don't visit the store, I still have my free aur and when I see a monocle in space...
...you don't want to know what crosses my mind Big smile

CCP is selling stuff a silly prices and making money.
Ritch players who want to stand out have the oportunity to do so.
Seems to me evb's happy exept you...

As for being ripped off. Recent PI tax changes are a bigger rip off then NeX store - at least to me.
Too bad we can't rip of CCP like they do us sometimes.

Today - The Power of Two Tomorrow - 2 Hulks and an Orca
Jicc
Happy fragles
#3 - 2011-12-08 10:29:00 UTC
Mindnut wrote:

As for being ripped off. Recent PI tax changes are a bigger rip off then NeX store - at least to me.
Too bad we can't rip of CCP like they do us sometimes.


Well actually we can do by moving to other games Lol
Valei Khurelem
#4 - 2011-12-08 11:59:58 UTC
I won't be in complete denial since I am well aware that the nex store clothes are pretty harmless by themselves, but honestly, part of me just knows better than if CCP keep the nex store along, there are employees there ( mainly looking at the management here ) who will hope that they can sneak in player items that give stats bonuses after players have forgotten.

I seriously don't want that to happen :(

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Mindnut
Rockbiter Industries
#5 - 2011-12-08 13:24:51 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
I won't be in complete denial since I am well aware that the nex store clothes are pretty harmless by themselves, but honestly, part of me just knows better than if CCP keep the nex store along, there are employees there ( mainly looking at the management here ) who will hope that they can sneak in player items that give stats bonuses after players have forgotten.

I seriously don't want that to happen :(


I understand your concearn and I too hope CCP will not make that misstake.

Today - The Power of Two Tomorrow - 2 Hulks and an Orca
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-12-08 13:27:49 UTC
What are you talking about you cretin?! If you don't like it, don't use it!

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Valei Khurelem
#7 - 2011-12-08 14:07:27 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
What are you talking about you cretin?! If you don't like it, don't use it!


Remember SWG

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-12-08 14:24:19 UTC
Did CCP put a gun to your head and force you to buy a monocle. You can avoid the NEX store if you want so why should they remove?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#9 - 2011-12-08 16:05:54 UTC
CCP is a company. The market is moving in the direction of micro-transactions. They were going with the market. Too bad they ignored and alienated there fan/player base.

Removing the store would be fine with me. Its existence does provide incentives for CCP to expand wardrobes. It is harmless, but I believe the uproar cemented that. PLEX for remaps (SP for $) was also suggested around that time, showing where CCP was heading.
x Consigliere x
Black Mesa Research Complexe
#10 - 2011-12-08 16:19:36 UTC  |  Edited by: x Consigliere x
Even the abiblty to pay to remap is still harmless....as long as ccp keeps it to things like cloth and remaps..it wont effect much,..but if they do plan on entering in items to i wont be surprised...but saying that..if eve was free then i could understand..but as eve aint..i dont really see a issue with adding items...personally...if the game was free then ppl could say it give un-fair advantage to other players that cant afford it..but as eve does cost 15 usd to play a month...most of that crowd dont exist in eve...so i can see there point of taking on a micro trans action item mall..for extra income...if you don't want to pay to play a game..why are you playing eve???

As CCp still does let players pay to tranfur chars,which in other game selling a toon is a auto-ban..
And you can buy game time with plex...CCp...is a good company imo compared to the asshats that run alot of the other games...

They killed the incarna expansion i think..which is dumb...imo...ya the 800k vets dont what it..but the 10's of thousands of trial players that didnt stick with the game cause of the no avatars in time would out way the active vets in the game..so..imo..ccp..made a mistake by claiming they made one to begin with....they were heading in the right direction...but guess they dont what to take the long term chance of what incarna would of done to the game...As i have persoankly sat in on rookie help over the years on lots of trial accounts helping noobies.....new players want avatar type evierments..if the vets in the game compared to Wows millions of players dont want it..imo..so what


All in all the item mall is a good ideal imo..so quit complaining



The ideal of eve being stuck at the reg 28-51k active players at once is lame....if get more players would be closer to 80-100k online at once..maybe more...CCP should of keep going in the direction they were going...not all the vets in the game would leave...i wouldnt...more ppl come to the game for the evirment type play..well good..they still need to fly in a ship to get from one station the the other..so still more pilots to shoot..vets are looking at it wrong...

If CCp was smart they would dump the game to F2p and just add a item mall...if you look at games like SRo/Perfect world they could easyly make the same income/more...only problem is the server migh not be able to hanlde all the new players at once like that so.ehh....probly the only reason they havnt done that....thought..that could alway be thier back-up plan if they **** off the "vets" to much,so again..quit complaining..if all the vets want to complain and scream they well leave..go ahead...all they would do is force eve to become the highest player count game out...probly beating Wow...but again,.not so sure how the hampsters would like it if 1 million ppl tried to log in at once..


The game could be so much more if they stoped worrying about thier vets...CCp has done alot with eve already ...only problem is they have 1 hand tied behind there backs becuase none of the players currently play or there so called "vets" wont let them achieve more ....The way all the "vets" put it in this game they are saying they are like patrons..but thats the problem..they arnt...if they were they would want eve to excel..they dont..they want to stay in there comfortable bubble.

If i ever went to fanfest and meet the Ceo of ccp..id probly slap the **** out of him..for being retarted


He need to learn that yes they(the vets) have helped the game get to where it is ,but Now those same "vets" are whats crippling it.....just my opinion

And...the only mistake the owner of ccp has made so far that ive seen is that he admitted to making one to begin with
Hadez411
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-12-08 17:03:53 UTC
Personally Im more curious and concerned about howmuch of their man power and annual salaries are being and were wasted on the NEX store compared to howmuch they made back or howmany more improvements could have been made to refining the game and adding new content that the players actually want.

I would like to see it removed from the game too because it is almost in complete contrast to this game and their subscribers(as seen by the riots). You cannot pitch to every crowd and I would say that, by far, the larger market out there is the group of people who want new things they can do with their character not new clothes for barbie.

We already have a system of distinction in eve, its called a killboard and alliance social hierarchy, among other things. The more you do, the better you are at it, the more pimp your ship is, the more you get noticed and reknown. Pretending that people can just buy this is dishonest to those foolish enough to buy into it and shows a serious lack of judgement or lack of morals on CCPs part.

I agree that if it is left there that they will waste more of their man power designing frivolous items, we'll get less improvements and content than possible and they'll continue to waste our subscription money on what i believe to be a tiny portion of subscribers. I'd also like to see some percentages on howmany people in the game went beyond their free AUR and actually paid, to validate or invalidate this horrible use of assets.
x Consigliere x
Black Mesa Research Complexe
#12 - 2011-12-08 17:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: x Consigliere x
If you read what i said..i think you missed my point completely ...you said they should of focused on what the players acually wanted.....hmm...how many ppl do you think eve has lost due to there not being a avatar environment?..considering for example..Eve online has been on the top 3 download/tryed games on steam for years(besides for now-due to all the sells going on of course during this time of year)....Eve has lost probly more players that would of stayed with the game then it currently has...so ccp trying new things like incarna/item mall aint bad....the "vets" need to un-tie ccp's other arm..and let them do more cool things..


The way all the "vets" put it in this game they are saying they are like patrons..but thats the problem..they arnt...if they were they would want eve to excel..they dont..they want to stay in there comfortable bubble.

And again.....

(the vets) have helped the game get to where it is ,but Now those same "vets" are whats crippling it.....just my opinion
Rina Asanari
CitadeI
#13 - 2011-12-09 08:20:31 UTC
Obsidiana wrote:
CCP is a company. The market is moving in the direction of micro-transactions. They were going with the market. Too bad they ignored and alienated there fan/player base.

Removing the store would be fine with me. Its existence does provide incentives for CCP to expand wardrobes. It is harmless, but I believe the uproar cemented that. PLEX for remaps (SP for $) was also suggested around that time, showing where CCP was heading.


Yes, I'm fearing as well that "pay to win" items/benefits aren't completely put into CCP's dustbin where they belong. In addition to that, as said elsewhere, CCP totally missed the point of "micro"-transactions as in "small value", since we're talking about two- or three months worth of subscription for many of the items in there.

Again: How many people actually did buy the monocle for its looks rather than to shove it into the other player's faces that they just have $ or ISK to burn?
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#14 - 2011-12-09 15:53:56 UTC
Rina Asanari wrote:
Yes, I'm fearing as well that "pay to win" items/benefits aren't completely put into CCP's dustbin where they belong. In addition to that, as said elsewhere, CCP totally missed the point of "micro"-transactions as in "small value", since we're talking about two- or three months worth of subscription for many of the items in there.

Good point. Usually those games let you buy points. You spend them how you want, buying different items. Often you can get a few items for a few bucks. Not every game works like that, but the ones I've seen have. That said, for clothing to cost more than a spaceship... dumb. Between a lack of content and that you needed to spend hundreds of dollars to have a wardrobe, it was sure to be poorly received.

A minor feature should have a minor cost.

But anyway, killing off the store is fine by me. Make blueprints for the items that require polytextiles. 8)
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-09 17:07:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Aqriue
NeX can go, CCP needs to add microtransactions to ship destruction and pods.

Shuttles/Rookie = Free
Frigate = $.05 USD
Cruiser = $.25 USD
BC = $.35 USD
BS = $.50 USD
Faction/T2 = Double cost
Hulks = $1 USD (CCP would gladly sponsor Hulkaggedon now)
Carrier/Dread = $2 .50 USD
Titans/SC = $5 USD
Pods = $10 (cause it being the weakest "ship" in game which is stupid easy to pad killboards and players like to measure who has thicker/longer e-schlong)
Centrolized Killboard = Additional $5 monthly added to subscription

So everytime you destroy something or lose it, your wallet is dinged in real life (plus, if 200 guys fire on 1 ship all 200 guys get charged Blink). Because you want to prove something (lol proving something in a video game Roll) it should cost extraTwisted, the standard monthly subscription is to just access the game.

I can imagine the rage now, as if 300k subscriptions shouted out in anger and were silenced while waiting for log in to SWTOR Lol
DooDoo Gum
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-12-09 19:38:28 UTC
how about getting rid of the clothing entirely and making that the apology ?