Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I would then just only pay for accounts with PLEX and roll new accounts over and over. Or only pay one month at a time and be able to start a new character every month

But what is the reroll time-period was 6 months or 12 months?

Well no as there would be no restriction on alts as it is now...but those alts would also be under the 6/12 month lock. So any shenanigans due to old/new character creation would really have to be elaborate.

Ahhh yes, the old, "kick the can down the road a bit."

What if I have 2 or more accounts?

Motivational theories are nothing exclusive to "general gaming statistics". That's what objective implies.

Demographics are fine for marketing, but the discussion is what comes with actual play.


This is contrasting skill vs. no skills, though. SP preventing a character from mastering something invalidates any (ideas on) aspirations of greatness. That "fairness" and min-maxing are plausible if all skills are trained, is no qualifier for how much (more) comes without SP. Maybe the point is just that topping out is SP's optimal; but if that's a topic, doesn't the skill system seem underwhelming for an RPG mechanic?

It's supposed to provide depth and creativity. Yet, EVE's depth comes mostly from its variety -- fleet comps and ranges and sandbox options. The depth is the fullness of the game. Obviously, starting as a fresh character is basically always the same.. and would be for referrals. Starting a sandbox MMO is supposed to be taking off for the unimaginable. Furthermore, there's nothing homey about SP training. "'Reality' consists of things that can be recognized on a visceral and tangible level. Having objects and people behave realistically allows us to draw upon our own experiences and understanding of materials and events, which helps us immerse ourselves into the experience." There's nothing realistically interesting or comforting about setting a queue. It's abstract. It's completely Sci-Fi and obviously non-helpful for the fresh character's entertainment. No character is going to open EVE eventually and sustain the idea that SP provides such character depth, that he should refer all his crew.


There can literally be one character per account without an SP system.. ever. Creating a fresh character can require a fresh account. Rep can be tied to that as well.

Awoxing/etc. already happens with bought toons. If that's happening on a main, it's unlikely that they're experienced enough, or that the corp is experienced enough, for there to be enough stuff for that to make the news. Most of these ops are completely invested as well. There's very little opportunity for hitting rank 1 with a corp, and it's fine if there's slightly more in the manner of corp restrictions for their ranks. If that includes helping newbies learn the game and other pro bono play, then that actually benefits the status quo. Spending PLEX on multiple characters for every spy op is probably limited to a very small percentage of the player base. The problems of multiple characters can obviously be dealt with simply.


The Opportunities system is a tiny portion of learning the game. If it's supposed to be evidence against the idea of the lowest common denominator (or for that of demographics), that seems imperceptible.

Demographics are the entire point of this. You keep ignoring the fact that the average EVE player is looking for a different experience than other gamers. The typical motivational tools don't apply.

So again, what is EVE's target demographic? That question comes before anything you are suggesting. You can't talk about motivational theory until you know who you are trying to motivate.



Sure, that just creates a completely different game. You aren't trying to fix EVE, you are trying to make a brand new game.

If I let an account unsub and start a new one, how is reputation linked between those two? And you aren't allowed to lie about buying a character, so assuming corps do the standard checks, you know what characters are bought to prevent awoxing. With your idea that safety buffer is now gone. Your idea is the opposite of helping newbies. It's giving them everything at once in an already complicated game instead of forcing them to slow down and learn the mechanics as they go.



More subs isn't necessarily a good thing if it compromises what made EVE successful for over a decade. Most of us would rather have EVE as it is now with 25k people active at once than have it watered down as you suggest and have 500k people online.

No character is prevented from mastering anything, they have to make choices about what to master next and to what level. And you can not aspire to greatness if you are handed every skill at perfect levels. What aspiration is there if you can just do everything? 'Oh I wish I could fly a dreadnaught...Hey look at that, I already can'. The EvE skill system is great as far as an RPG goes, it allows me to develop a character tailored to the things I want to do in game, and allows me to learn into other areas of the game as my whims change.

Every single RPG game uses skills and attributes to some degree as far as I know. Vampyr: the Masquerade was about the most free format I played but that still used skills and experience to a degree. CyberPunk 2020 was more reliant on the skill system but probably the best game I played. In EvE I don't have to grind through any type of mission, site, whatever to gain SP. I acquire them over time whether I'm logged in or not. When logged in I do what I choose without worrying about this and leave my next skill training whilst I use my current ones. When not logged in I'm *still* training my next skill, no grind required. This is a very good system as far as I'm concerned.



You mention having objects and people behave realistically. The physics in EvE is ... problematic at best. People behave in ways they (hopefully) never would even consider in the real world. It is a game, a certain amount of disattendence is required to enjoy it. Using the skill queue is a test of planning and forethought, it gives a player goals to aim for and events to plan for. If you want to drag reality into this it also gives an approximation of the character you are roleplaying having to actually learn some of the mind-boggling skills you are proposing they are all granted right off the bat.

Character depth comes from how old a character is, this is governed by the SP they have to a large extent. The variety of characters at different ages and therefore skill depths gives rise to the variety of ships and activities taking place all around you in EvE. Make every the same as a perfect skilled clone of each other and this variety will disappear. Only the pinnacle ship from each class will be flown as everyone will be able to do so and there would be no advantage to any character not to do so.

I refer back to the thread title again. If you remove the skill system you remove the technical and ideological heart of the game. This doesn't just break the game, it completely mutates it into something else that happens to use the same graphics and ship names. And I'm assuming just setting all skills to V and leaving the checks against them in as bloatware. I shudder to think of the horrors that would befall the Devs should they actually try to remove them.

Ed: Another point. I am invested in my character as I have invested time and effort into it's creation and growth. It is a reflection of my choices and experiences in the game and shows what I can and cannot offer to a prospective corp. Remove skills and skill queue planning and you remove all of this. My character is now exactly the same as every other character in EvE no matter what avatar I may pick for it. I would have absolutely no investment at all in the process and if I got a bad rep as a pirate for instance I'd just unsub and start a new character if I wanted to play as a hisec carebear. There would be absolutely no consequence to doing this whatsoever. Since actions having consequences is another central tenet of EvE this idea would kill that as well.

Dror,

I like the fact i can have a couple of characters on each account, an switch them out as needed. As well as have the number of accounts that i do for various reasons.

SKill Points and the skill que are needed by EvE, since i doubt anybody has the 28.6 yrs required to train every skill to level 5 then it remains that players have choices how specialized their characters are and in what career path.
what you think is really wrong, and stupid....becasue of the fact EvE is unlike every other game out there.

Now if you cant get this through your skull, then maybe EvE is simply just the wrong game for you, we the players that come here to play something different from the rest of what is offerred. We like the asshattery, we like the challenges, we enjoy feeling of paranoia/fear/bloodlust mixed into one emotional andrenal filled moment,........

And for the most part we do not care what you think about how the game should change, if you do not like it then maybe you should just unistall, unplug from EvE...basically pod thy self and just go away....go back to where ever you came from.
At this point, i have decided to make this my last post on this thread and i seriously hope/wish ISD would lock it.....because you are worth nothing at this point except to be called rightly so....nothing but a troll that deserves to be podded/griefed from this game if you keep up this line of thought.

Have a good day....
and PS: STFU!!

I would stop playing all together.

What? It isn't more freedom, it is that it would become less costly so we'd have more of it. You're claim about more subs is a complete non-sequitur...which is all too common with you.