Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you think that, then one wonders what you must think of literally every other area of space, since it's easier, has less cost, and is much more easily applicable everywhere else.

You know what? You're just playing the wrong game.

Oh, and? Absolutely nothing you're talking about is "griefing". Griefing is strictly defined by the only people whose opinion matters. CCP. Highsec PvP is not griefing, no matter what the likes of you might say.

I can certainly attest to the quietness of nullsec. The main problem there seems to be a lack of conflict drivers - newsov encourages people to squat in their space, where they have no need to go anywhere else to meet their needs. Fights rarely happen for reasons other than boredom, so I can understand why people looking for spaceship explosions flock to highsec. It's a target rich environment.

One of the larger problems in eve is the disparity between pve fit and pvp fit ships. You can't run pve content in pvp ships, so when pvp comes to you (sandbox, ladies and gents), you're gonna lose. Fixing this would go a long way to remedying pvp in general, but yeah, it's a big job so don't hold your breath. Still, I'd prefer that than applying arbitrary rules restrictions on wardecs. Oh, and skipping corps should be addressed too, it's far too easy to avoid a war.

WOO! =D I haven't had someone respond to like this in ages. XD






Lol, Where in Highsec are you going to see a fight happen? Three places, The Undock, A Gate, Or a mission pocket are going to be the top three spots. So yeah of ******* course you see them on the undock, it a popular place to be. All so, do you have some ill feelings going on here? Some angry feelings towards Mercs and Gankers? I feel some hostilities.



Oh the, I can totally do this so obviously other people can to, argument. You probably could fund half of the wars, the cheap 50mil ones. But about about the 500mil ones Marmite keeps paying for? Everyweek? Brave, Ivy, Pandemic H, all equals out to 1.5bil a week. Not counting the other 120+ wars going on right now as well. XD





EvE Combat is not, More SP equals better. If you believe that it's no wonder you're so angry and throwing a tantrum. Also ten neut logi + Combat toon+ ECM Jammer? Are insane? XD Who did you fight? Who can multibox that many toons without broadcasts?





Anybody with 20mil ish SP invested in combat is perfectly capable of killing me. Hell a spec out toon with 12mil sp can kill me under the right circumstances. I've only been playing since 2013 brostalin and Im not afraid of a 2003 player, you on the other seem to think, "More SP=Better". Which is absolutely ********, and limits your own fun in the game.

Like Really. SP doesn't mean as much when you get past the 20mil mark.

2. How does that pertain to what I said? I was talking about forcing players down a linear path XD

3. Again you miss my point somehow completely and ramble off like a meth addicted cocaine fueled sweat shop worker. You seem mad bro.

It's neither, you're just trying to apply a negative label to justify removing gameplay that is 100% within the rules, just because you don't like it.

Too bad.




They did not take anything away. Those non combat ships do not have means to fight, which is the only thing that remotely comes close to justifying the fact that they are effort free, risk free ways to generate assets into the game world.

Just because someone makes the choice to be defenseless by flying those ships should not make them immune to the actions of others.

You should stop calling griefers by other names.
It's not undock. It's "safety zone" - they only fight from a place they can instantly dock on sight of anything actually armed at. Undock is a big zone, and the griefers are never more than 1km away from the station - too scared.


1.5 bil is my income from 5 hours of null pve. If you consider 1.5 bil a week big money, man, you're a spacepoor vermin. Get gud.



Eve combat is "more SP always win", that's a proven fact - facts do not care if you believe in them or not.
That fight wasn't mine, but an alliance mate who met Devils Warrior Alliance - the biggest hisec chickens of all. They refused to fight us 5v3 and only undocked when there was just 1 guy left - typical chickens. They brought a logi, ecm, and combat ships down on one guy and that's basically what other griefer chicken alliances do all the time anyway.


Unless you're 15 million SP yourself, 20mil SP toon cannot kill you. Unless you are 15 million SP and most of your skill are indy, 12 million SP toon cannot kill you. Don't worry, it took me a pair of years to realize the truth of the formula, and you will see it too.


SP stops meaning much when you are over 70mil mark. 20 mil is not even starter line, it's about 50mil when you get to be effective, and 70mil is where you are covered in everything relevant.

2. No, you were crying "nerf hisec" like a gewn would.

3. No, it's you who missed my point completely and don't even get the answer. You can superfit a ship you're not going to risk however you like, because "leet hisec pvp" against newbies is risk-free for a high SP char.

It's both and it's one of the things that kills eve. I never said it is against the rules, I only said it needs to be tweaked to not be free and riskless.

Too bad indeed.



Try building T2 item. At least one. When you quit after you fail, we will talk about "effort free".
And risk free? There is market where you lose the price war, there are griefers which are risk free and effort free way of getting anything they want by ganking, etc. It's not even remotely risk free. It's far more risky than doing leet hisec player vs barge. Stop talking about things that take more than 40 IQ you have, you don't even understand them.


It's griefers who are immune to actions of others and that needs to change.

It's neither, and it's one of the few things in highsec that drives positive player retention.




It is not free, or riskless. A mechanic is not broken just because you are bad at the game.




I make a comfortable living selling T2 torps in Dodixie, actually. Pos fuel too.




We aren't immune to a damned thing, you're just too godawful at this game to be effectual at anything. Apparently, since you're crying about manufacturing, the easiest, most risk free thing in the game, too.

Yep, he strayed into Basil's talking points sometime yesterday, and that's when I figured it out.

Orca, your ignorance is so over grown and your butthurt so deafening that every thread you touch loses all perspective and becomes about debunking your baseless 'facts'.

Why post at all if you can never post in a manner that will be taken seriously and best achievement is to stifle discussion?

Why are you guys arguing definitions of PvP and "Griefing" with a forum alt?

Right now I can buy a 2 week wardec against any +2k member corp/alliance for $20 USD. There aren't many of those ingame, and I'm a bit too cheap for that anyway.
Right now I can buy a 20 week wardec against any corp under 51 members (most of them) for $20 USD.

The general lack of disruption and surplus of safety in high sec have allowed denizens of the high sec pve community to inflate the price of plex to the point that I am only too pleased to buy one whenever I feel like I need iskies.
I blow $20 bucks in a week without thinking about it. It takes me a lot longer to blow through 1bil isk in EvE.

You wanted it safe so you could make more isk in peace.
Well, now I can bring the average corp's operations in high sec to a grinding halt for 5 months all for the price of a 14" pepperoni pizza and breadsticks.

I don't know if that is good or bad, but it sure is easy.

We should give maps to the people who don't have maps, that way the people who are in the iraq who don't have maps won't be confused. -My cousin's suggestion (he doesn't eve, but he does enjoy pizza)