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This just feels like some sort of elitism. Fleet mechanics have relied on roles similar to other games long before incursions. the only change is applying them to PvE and PUG's. Seems like expected progression really.

Looks like I miss-attributed a post on the second part

Couldn't find the original post where the market thing was stated so I assumed I comprehension failed and redacted it. Though, since I'm curious, I'll put it back:



You mentioned making at least some of your isk on the markets. that being the case, so long as highsec producers aren't voluntarily moving their goods to low/null, and the people who are out there have predominantly better things to do and train for than producing their own goods and low end minerals, hisec markets will always be more profitable. Incursions didn't change that.

Please note I'm not saying incursions don't need tweaking, VG's in particular, but that th idea that hisec earnings should always be more for all types of activities seems off when it comes to markets.

One playstyle is so much more profitable than every other playstyle its stupid to do anything else. Welcome to the railroad.

I agree. Incursions could easily handle a nerf of about 30% in hisec and still be competitive with L4 missions when it comes to making ISK by shooting things. Nerf the baseline, boost the bonus for low/null (e.g.: to 100% bonus).

This was different before incursions how...?

According to you nullsec should be an isk fountain seeing as it's so empty there's practically zero risk, right? Should the sanctums be nerfed further because risk is so low simply due to lack of population?

Until the payouts from nullsec PvE are large enough to mitigate losses from camps, ganks, hotdrops, and time spent competing for content, and still remain more profitable than hisec PvE, they're not going out there.

You want them out there to roflstomp them. That's your playstyle, it's not theirs. The issue is the predatory attitude; if you're using that space to shoot anything that moves it's naive to expect anyone other than like-minded people to be there with you.

Hotdropped how? Incursion systems are cynojammed per default

ATTENTION 0.0 People.


Incursions are cyno jammed. So if an incursion is happening in your 0.0 space you cannot use,

Cyno generators,
jump bridges.

you can use covert cynos, but taking a bunch of frigs into an incursion site is a REALLY bad idea.

Looks like to me the goon just doesnt get it....

People don't want to live in null sec becuase it's boring and the very essence of null sec mechanics have forced people who play the game in null into a world where blobs, lag, black screening and over kill is the norm...and that isnt the result of high sec incursion reward...

Now c'mon dude come up with something better than what appears to be a whiney goon who has no one to shoot..

Its been good so far and some good arguements and the thing with me is I have played the game both ways and can see both points of view...

However High sec is not the issue here...If however, null sec was a gold mine - which where you live it is... then what you complaining about?

Well, I took your post as a response to the "I want to incentivize people to go out into nullsec", which I interpreted as "nobody wants to go to nullsec because it's dull". If that's not what you really meant, then I'll give a proper answer to that.

Carebears don't give a flying **** if SOV warfare is boring and laggy and blobby, they just care if the space they get to is quiet and allows them to be productive and earn more money than in empire (because, you know, there will be casualties at some point). They're the ones I'm talking about the most at this point, since they're more likely to actually do stuff in the space where we live, and as such make space feel lived in.

PVPers have a whole different set of issues with, as you said, laggy, blobby, etc etc etc. This is, in my mind, wholly because of the SOV system, and my idea of a fix for this would be to somehow make it so it not only would be beneficial to run around with smaller fleets, but in a proper war mandatory, because if you didn't, and the other guy did, you'd lose the systems you weren't defending. Or you could feint somewhere and send the real fleet to capture another system. Whatever, just something more dynamic than it is now.

I'm not holding my breath, though, I'm suspecting they're a bit too invested in the current dominion SOV system.


While you say that hisec is not the issue, I'm saying it has an issue. And from my POV it is that with hisec incursions paying as much as it is, the bar for incentivizing people who feel like shooting red crosses is that much higher, that I'd expect CCP's economist to have a heart attack if CCP actually did go through with that kind of changes.

I've asked what other sorts of changes to nullsec anyone can think of to incentivize more carebears etc to move out to nullsec, but I keep getting "incursions are fine, run incursions to finance your pvp in nullsec".

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