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Point to a single post where I've said that. I dare you.

You haven't said it, direclty, the arguements of High Sec incursions boil down to the fact that people now have the ability to fund other ways of playing their game... Whether you are a null sec player doing incursions so that you can enjoy living in null sec more or whether you are a out and out high sec player wanting to have the ability to play the game different ways....

I heard in a random channel that CCP are being bought out by EA and all future DUST development will be done by blizzard / British Gas, I think ill make a 1 day alt and mention this

It is more than likely the OP is a Goon, just something I got from his posting and one of his repliers, which doesnt really surprise me tbh

Half like the statement until you say that depsite loosing an hour to #stuff# you actually earn no more than what a good true sec / DED plex or Anom system can earn you.

Mother of god. I haven't even remotely implied that people shouldn't be able to make isk in hisec, all I've said is that incursions pay out too well, and that nullsec is, on a day to day basis, empty compared to how it should be.

If you're in hisec, and you're not a complete dumbass who's flying around in a 1b+ isk boat (whether through fitted modules or cargohold content), or happen to fly a mackinaw/hulk/orca in gallente ice, chances are you're safe. You can of course screw up and lose a ship to rats, get wardecced or get owned by canflippers etc, in which case sucks to be you. Bottom line is, you don't need to always replenish your wallet regularly just to be able to play (unless you're one of those who buy plex to keep playing, in which case I suspect you're loving the new plex prices), at least not if you play smart. In lowsec or in nullsec, losing your ship is not only commonplace, it's to be expected. Whether you rat, mine, haul or PVP, chances are you'll lose your ship every time you undock. For that you need to replenish your wallet on a regular basis.

It's at this point you're effectively saying that the most logical way to do this, isn't to actually live in the space you've fought for, but to run incursions (or, let's be fair, the old ISK workhorse of botting L4s) in hisec, because the chance of losing your ship is much less in hisec, the reward is higher and it's more interesting than anoms. And it's at this point that I ask you, what the **** is the point of being in nullsec then? It certainly doesn't seem to be to create and be part of an independent empire with their own rules.

And how much do you think nullsec will be able to be buffed before people in hisec will start to whine about how nullsec is getting preferential treatment, there's no risk etc? Keep in mind we've had a fucktonne of people go absolutely apeshit over a relatively minor change in PI taxes.

it never took me that long to move my Apoc Navy from one incursion to the next. Of course, I carried a few cheap mods so that I could hit warp a lot faster. If you're THAT slow moving across Empire try refitting for the move.



We were well known griefers and it didn't take us that long to assemble a bogus fleets for the purpose of killing one or two of the ships. It shouldn't take you an hour to set up. Skunkworks is notoriously bad about being distracted by anything shiny and we could still be on the spot pulling together a fleet of victims in 10-15 minutes. At the height of our campaign when the channels had more talk about griefing than they did about fleets, we still averaged four kills an hour when we were active. That meant that every 15 minutes we were able to put together enough of a fleet to start RR and cap chaining.

I'm starting to think that the people who actually run incursions could have learned quite a bit by griefing them first.

My idea would be to make incursion waves random. You don't know if the next wave will consist of jamming + neuting Niarjas, a Deltole, Tamas and Renyns with webs + points, kiting Maras with shield RR, a sniper Antem 150km away, or a combination of rats.

Imagine, your Legion fleet blitzing an NCO with 9 legions and 2 Guardians suddenly has a Deltole and three Augas dropped on them, 50km away. Or your shield Machariel fleet blitzing an OTA would suddenly find themselves getting wolfpacked by 15+ close range, high DPS torping frigates.

Also, make spawns timed, so that if you don't kill one spawn quickly enough, a second spawn will appear in addition to it.

This will make things unpredictable and difficult, and means we could see a break from the norm (Legions in armor fleets, Machariels in shield fleets) and means either
A) More people losing ships because they're not prepared
B) Fleets field more logis, thus reducing their DPS, thus cutting their isk/hr

This would also ideally stop people from dual or triple boxing in incursions, as the spawns are hard/dangerous enough to require full attention. (esp. logis) This would further reduce the isk sink.

If you then decide that's too hard and you want a less thought-requiring grind, nullsec anoms and then missions would come in.

lol oh the reasoning of some people.....


OK for all you "they buffed anoms"

First the only way you can run anoms continuously like you are trying to indicate is to be in a big sovernity holding alliance deep deep deep into 0.0

NPC space you can barely run an anom without having to warp out at least twice due to local.

2nd) 0.0 and lowsec should ALWAYS have more reward then High Sec. This is the core problem. High Sec in respect to 0.0 and Low is way too high (or reversely 0.0 and lowsec to low)

Instead of changing the mechanics of mulitple parts of the game at once (0.0 and lowsec) the nerf bat needs to hit high sec isk making abilities.

And if you think high sec has the same or more risk then 0.0 and lowsec then I would ask you to come down to 0.0 and lowsec and then your mind will be changed. People saying that these 0.0 people are just whining have never even lived in 0.0 If you moved back to highsec its because you found out that 0.0 and lowsec had such risk and inconveniences that you couldn't bare it.

Yes try getting something as simple as ammo and ships deep into npc space without a sophisticated logistics chain set (oh which cost even more money and more risk getting it established)

a+b. why put lucrative area's in null sec when most of the people who sign in into the game are based in high sec...other than to hope people move into null sec?
c. Have you heard of those people who do the same in incursions sites?

Null sec should be about eco systems, territories, defence, offence, treaties in reality people move to null sec is becuase they want chest beating PVP which they want on their door step, Industry these days well is non existant becuase you can 23/7 bot mine in empire - like you said null sec is empty there are no fleets wanting to travel for long periods of time most fights are occuring in systems for a reason. Looking at todays most violent system is NY5 which i guess is becuase of the level 5 agents around that area...M-O tribute entry point...

Lastly remove the "I win" button.... Null sec was awesome in the days of IAC plenty of targets willing to fight now all i hear is "leave it they will hot drop us"...