EVE General Discussion

But from my experience in some occasions it can take quite some focus from the logies, or it can go wrong quite easily.
But I agree with a group of friends it will make it less risky, however many players simply pug via BTL.

the vg sites are easy as pie. the bs site is the only taxing in the slightest site and thats just cos the rats spred aggro. the other 2 are so easy its not funny.
no idea what BTL is

BTL PUB, is an Incursion LFG chan.

Actually, it depends where in nullsec or lowsec the incursion is. If it's right outside of hisec, then at least travelling to the edge of the incursion can be done in relative safety, whereas if it's deep in nullsec, we're talking about lots of space where bad things can happen. So I'd say it depends.

But yes, just the act of going from 0.5 to 0.4 dramatically increases the risk you put your ship in.

Yes, but it's not something that swings by your space whenever you need it, so it's not a reliable source of income, in fact chances are it'll be more annoying for the rest of the populace who don't feel like running incursions because whole systems are cynojammed etc.

It gets worse when that happens right in the middle of an invasion.

So its not as much risk but it is potentially more annoying. I actually can buy that. But I still think that the extra annoyance should just make them equal to low sec not more valuable.

People funds their own super-caps doing high sec incursions.

I my self need 8-9h a MONTH to plex 3 accounts,doing easy/repetitive/low risk incursions.

One don't need to be older than 4 months to be in Nightmare and make billions.

All of above screaming of GRIND 24/7 incursion channels are cooling down on DT only.

So they need nerf badly?....No they need buff.

First one could be Isk buff less important but still why not.

Anti easy/repetitive buff : Is to make all inc sites dynamic/random in spawns killing same old same old approach to site running
Example: mining site spawn single cruiser @ warp in but crap-ton of frigs or few deltoles @ point blank range lazoring and neuting stuff.

Anti grind buff: Reducing grind by raising time needed to complete VG's by spawning more diverse enemies.
Example:same mining site you group of 10/11 people clear what ever random first wave was just to meet 2nd random wave + 1-2 sniper deltoles @ 150k snipping you...no need to explain what kinda ships will needed be to counter that and what it will do to fleet comp enough to say that caldari people would be grateful for need of ravens/cnr in most explored site's in inc's.

Additional buffs: after certain number of sansha ships exploded(the less the better) sansha figure out that capsulers resistance is getting bigger(grind) and magically remember that they posses unknown jump technology and jump to another constellation basically doing guerrilla stile war against us(and preventing excess grind)

Systems from where they left would stay infected and with kundalini manifest as only site remained(that bring 0 isk/lp if done but remove incursion from that systems if done) if site is not done for what ever reason let say every 6 hours another 2-3 systems are infected pissing botts and botts wannabes(miners)of.

Also kundalini sites could spawn(as well as that sansha main fleet can come back) cruiser/frigs roaming gangs to warp from asteroid belts to stations and gates for easy pickings as well as jumping to not affected systems to few random places and if they stumble upon you being afk in your barge buying botting software it is your funeral bud(note that roaming ships don't use point/scram just dps).

This game should be about risk right at least minimal for mundane actions like minning/APing/afk etc.

OR we could just say this need nerf and this need to be payed that much...just thinking out loud.

low sec is risky because goons and test actually do those regularly to make isk. however for the most part low sec incursion running woudl be almost as safe as high sec.

1. Systems are cyno jammed so no hot drops cept from black ops, but you wouldnt want to gank an incursion site with recons and black ops.

2. you still have local.

3. if you run 1-2 heavy on logi and you will discourage most gankers.

Low sec payouts are the same as null due to the risk factor.

I think what is clear to see is everyone has forgotten that CCP are working towards a system where everyone can PVP...

The current system (even before the anom nerf) meant people were fighting over / waiting for / farmed systems.

People moved into Null sec for the ISK/Hour lightbulb and when it came to defending no one did or wanted to. Obviously some people were caught with their pants down but ultimately the ISK in null sec Passive ISK was going into the hands of the directors and attempts are made for some sort of Ship replacement programme -> this would cause people to rely on the ISK being generated either a. by the anoms they were hitting (which isnt enough to sustain PVP) or b. by the alliance moon farms. Both are very tedious, time consumining, and just no fun.

Here we now have a Fun, lucrative, sustainable way of creating ISK so that people can PVP...

It really shouldn't be "just becuase" they are in high sec they should be nerfed...

Someone wrote about having a complete eco system - "a space system"..... and without enough resources to create an eco system this will not occur. These desires of having targets to hunt in eco systems are not the making of high sec incursions - it is the making of peoples desires not to get involved in a game play iof blob warfare. There are "space eco systems" active in the game the issue is to make them happen you require lots of active members which then means fleets are in their hundreds which then means the server grinds to a holt when you black screen, crash, overheat, lag....Perhaps that is the reason why your eco systems are so empty...

Thats the reason why the NC fell - all the carebears that had fought so hard to keep the North of the game safe from IT a year earlier - were now fighting over a eco system that wasn't worth fighting for in a game play that meant your were better off signing in on other characters for your game time.

Yes the NC contributed to the downfall of in its own success and some bad decisions (selling titans and super carriers to the blob) were also factors...

So if you want eco systems give people the resource to make them happen, High sec incursions are perfectly fine....

I made 80m last night in 90mins - hardly excessive...

I wont disagree with that - and at the time of the IT invasion they were doing OK, Fleets were good and jammed packed full of eager people willing to toss their ships into space dust... a year later you would have that 50% of team speak users were down (IT invasion every night was up around the 1500 user mark - a year later was down to 800 users).

A lot of people left becuase they had nothing to fight for... that and the well organised SC+PL+RAIDEN.-NC. Lots of stuff went wrong for the NC and a major catalyst was the Anom nerf.. remember you want eco systems - thats what null sec is about ~right~......

Back on topic - high sec incursions are not the reason why null sec is empty, its the factory mechanics that null sec has become.