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ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#41 - 2015-08-10 15:34:43 UTC
Haruchai Khan wrote:
Angel T Hunter wrote:
I have to be honest..

I dont give a rats ass about the republic.
I did try to care once.. But I didnt get the feeling that the Republic caref about me so..
Well.. Fu*k it..



Perhaps your criminality had something to do with that?

In recompense, if you hand yourself in to a Republic Justice Department office, I can see to it that you are provided with warm food and board for several years. Possibly art classes.


As a capsuleer, I personally feel that I am above whatever law the Republic Justice department might attempt to enforce.
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#42 - 2015-08-11 03:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cain Aloga
ValentinaDLM wrote:


As a capsuleer, I personally feel that I am above whatever law the Republic Justice department might attempt to enforce.


However as a Brutor, and as a member of the tribes, I do not. The fact that I am a capsuleer is irrelevant.

While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2015-08-11 03:44:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Anyanka Funk wrote:
I vehemently hate the Republic. I believe the best thing to do is to take all of their ISK, enslave them, and destroy them from the inside.


Trying too hard to be edgy, I see.

I am wary of the Republic. The Republic has a track record of screwing things up. Her leaders are barely under control, letting their hot-heads go wild without restraint. She has a history of financial mismanagement, political failure, ill-advised military campaigning and diplomatic clusterfrakking.

I also have doubts about exactly how much power the Tribal Council has, and whether they are leading the people of the Republic or led by the popular opinions of the Republic people, however ill-advised it might be.

Until there's another, say, fifty or so years of competent performance record, I will remain wary of the Republic.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Matar Ronin
#44 - 2015-08-11 03:54:49 UTC
Cain Aloga wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:


As a capsuleer, I personally feel that I am above whatever law the Republic Justice department might attempt to enforce.


However as a Brutor, and as a member of the tribes, I do not. The fact that I am a capsuleer is irrelevant.
Far too many get isk in their accounts, implants in their heads, and a pod to float in and want to forget who they really are. They reject anything Matari on the grounds it is not perfect, while nothing else around them made from mankind is perfect. They take the cheap way out of their personal responsibility to contribute themselves. Glad to see you as well as so many others here reject the nonsense of those selfish simpletons who expect / demand perfection only from their own people and no one else.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#45 - 2015-08-12 20:35:24 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Cain Aloga wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:


As a capsuleer, I personally feel that I am above whatever law the Republic Justice department might attempt to enforce.


However as a Brutor, and as a member of the tribes, I do not. The fact that I am a capsuleer is irrelevant.
Far too many get isk in their accounts, implants in their heads, and a pod to float in and want to forget who they really are. They reject anything Matari on the grounds it is not perfect, while nothing else around them made from mankind is perfect. They take the cheap way out of their personal responsibility to contribute themselves. Glad to see you as well as so many others here reject the nonsense of those selfish simpletons who expect / demand perfection only from their own people and no one else.


Indeed. One of the things I like about my home is the way we are treated as people. Rich people, but just people nonetheless.

It gives me a proper sense of perspective.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#46 - 2015-08-13 00:28:57 UTC
Matar Ronin wrote:
Far too many get isk in their accounts, implants in their heads, and a pod to float in and want to forget who they really are. They reject anything Matari on the grounds it is not perfect, while nothing else around them made from mankind is perfect. They take the cheap way out of their personal responsibility to contribute themselves. Glad to see you as well as so many others here reject the nonsense of those selfish simpletons who expect / demand perfection only from their own people and no one else.



And so many others get a pod and some ISK and immediately think they know what's best for all Matari everywhere.

They reject that a Matari can be a citizen of the Federation, or the State. They cannot conceive of the notion that a Matari might actually be proud to serve the Amarr Empire. Their poor little minds can't fathom that a Matari might actually have faith in the One True God of Amarr; might be proud of their faith and happy to serve their House.

Oh no. If a Matari supports the Empire or has faith in God, that's not really a Matari, they say. No, they must be chipped or crazy or broken because no Matari in their right mind would support the Empire, worship God or endorse the slavery of others.

Well, bucko. Matari that say that are flat out wrong.

Over the course of centuries, we Matari have learned to be a part of the greatest civilization known to Man. We believe that God set us a position in life and be it slave or commoner or Holder, all of the faith serve in their own way and together, we are greater than what we are as individuals.

But a few deluded malcontents would make you think otherwise.

No one is born perfect, we must all strive to improve. But the Republic would tell you that their way is the only way. Despite the fact that the greater percentage of Matari live and worship outside the Republic.People like you enable the negative stereotype of the poor, broken slave, toiling away on an asteroid and then commit acts of terrorism because it makes you think you're some kind of hero.

Selfish? You're one of the most selfish excuses for a Matari I've heard in a long time. You only help the People if they follow your beliefs. In Amarr, all Matari are helped to become better people.

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#47 - 2015-08-13 00:32:51 UTC
As long as they follow your beliefs...
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#48 - 2015-08-13 01:21:29 UTC
Sinti Vailatti wrote:

And so many others get a pod and some ISK and immediately think they know what's best for all Matari everywhere.

They reject that a Matari can be a citizen of the Federation, or the State. They cannot conceive of the notion that a Matari might actually be proud to serve the Amarr Empire. Their poor little minds can't fathom that a Matari might actually have faith in the One True God of Amarr; might be proud of their faith and happy to serve their House.

Oh no. If a Matari supports the Empire or has faith in God, that's not really a Matari, they say. No, they must be chipped or crazy or broken because no Matari in their right mind would support the Empire, worship God or endorse the slavery of others.

Well, bucko. Matari that say that are flat out wrong.

Over the course of centuries, we Matari have learned to be a part of the greatest civilization known to Man. We believe that God set us a position in life and be it slave or commoner or Holder, all of the faith serve in their own way and together, we are greater than what we are as individuals.

But a few deluded malcontents would make you think otherwise.

No one is born perfect, we must all strive to improve. But the Republic would tell you that their way is the only way. Despite the fact that the greater percentage of Matari live and worship outside the Republic.People like you enable the negative stereotype of the poor, broken slave, toiling away on an asteroid and then commit acts of terrorism because it makes you think you're some kind of hero.

Selfish? You're one of the most selfish excuses for a Matari I've heard in long time. You only help the People if they follow your beliefs. In Amarr, all Matari are helped to become better people.


Being Matari is more than just a matter of birth. Our Tribal Heritage is just as much a part of us as we are a part of it. By rejecting it, you do infact reject being Matari. Your mistake is in believing that following the Amarrian God and being a member of the tribes is mutually exclusive.

It is not.

I do not pretend to that doing so would be easy. There is still too much hatred between our people and the Great Enemy, and any one following their faith would undoubtedly be subject to distrust and ridicule, however that is more because of the history shared by our two people more than any outright cultural intolerance. I have a welcomed and helped a good number of Brutor who held to the Amarrian God back into the tribe as a part of my work. Many lead quiet and dignified lives within the republic.


While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2015-08-13 01:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Matar Ronin wrote:
Cain Aloga wrote:
ValentinaDLM wrote:


As a capsuleer, I personally feel that I am above whatever law the Republic Justice department might attempt to enforce.


However as a Brutor, and as a member of the tribes, I do not. The fact that I am a capsuleer is irrelevant.
Far too many get isk in their accounts, implants in their heads, and a pod to float in and want to forget who they really are. They reject anything Matari on the grounds it is not perfect, while nothing else around them made from mankind is perfect. They take the cheap way out of their personal responsibility to contribute themselves. Glad to see you as well as so many others here reject the nonsense of those selfish simpletons who expect / demand perfection only from their own people and no one else.


Indeed. One of the things I like about my home is the way we are treated as people. Rich people, but just people nonetheless.

It gives me a proper sense of perspective.


On Federation streets, if any baseliner finds out you are a capsuleer you will be put on a pedestal and treated like a celebrity.

On State streets, you are treated like a security risk (to be fair, we kind of are).

On Republic streets, you are treated...as an equal. Same with any Matari enclave, really.

Home is where the Minmatar are.

If one wonders why I make no mention of the Empire, it's because I never once walk in Imperial territory save the stations 'liberated' in the Republic-Empire 'front'. By then the stations are mostly evacuated except for the skeleton crew.

The bread is great though. I like Amarrian bread. Never had anything like it anywhere else. Also the wine.

But no coffee! What the heck?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#50 - 2015-08-13 20:33:24 UTC
In case I haven't made it clear. This is what I think.

If you are a Minmatar & you feel more comfortable living elsewhere then good luck to you. If you feel that others have something to offer the tribes then by all means feel free to try and persuade the rest of us.

Stasis for a society is death. Change is life.

But don't try to force us to conform to your ideals. You will not like the results.

And, if you truly believe the tribes and their heritage have nothing to offer, then you are not Minmatar. Regardless of genetics.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.
Syenna Celeste
Sunny Weather Mercenaries
The Initiative.
#51 - 2015-08-13 22:03:10 UTC
I wish I could see [any member of] the Republic right now...

Put your hands around my heart and squeeze me until I'm dry.
Jade Blackwind
#52 - 2015-08-14 10:22:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
In Amarr, all Matari are helped to become better people.
RollLol

But then again, EoM, for example, sincerely believe that they're saving souls from damnation and "reclaim" them by mass murdering people, so why not.

As about the Republic, I'd really love if something good would come of it, but as of now, it's a mess. Not as much of a mess as a decade ago, but still a chronically failing state.

The tribes and even individual clans do a decent job of policing themselves, but add one or two extra layers of bureaucracy above that and as soon as clan, family and tribal ties, feuds and whatnot kick in, everything turns into a bloody clusterthukk.

This cluster isn't going to get any better, nor the Republic. I think that it'd probably be best for the Matari - for those, who can - just to adopt the Great Wildlands way. Build an exodus fleet, a megacaravan of clan home-ships, and just sail away from this accursed bubble of death, as far as possible, to never see it again.

Bye bye New Eden, have fun with yourself.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#53 - 2015-08-14 20:44:04 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Sinti Vailatti wrote:
In Amarr, all Matari are helped to become better people.
RollLol

But then again, EoM, for example, sincerely believe that they're saving souls from damnation and "reclaim" them by mass murdering people, so why not.

As about the Republic, I'd really love if something good would come of it, but as of now, it's a mess. Not as much of a mess as a decade ago, but still a chronically failing state.

The tribes and even individual clans do a decent job of policing themselves, but add one or two extra layers of bureaucracy above that and as soon as clan, family and tribal ties, feuds and whatnot kick in, everything turns into a bloody clusterthukk.

This cluster isn't going to get any better, nor the Republic. I think that it'd probably be best for the Matari - for those, who can - just to adopt the Great Wildlands way. Build an exodus fleet, a megacaravan of clan home-ships, and just sail away from this accursed bubble of death, as far as possible, to never see it again.

Bye bye New Eden, have fun with yourself.



I think this is one of the single best suggestions I've heard.

For those of us who like to wander, for those who want to build a new Matari culture without having to deal with any other culture, this is perfect. I mean, we have the whole rest of the galaxy to explore, why be tied to just a handful of stars?

For those of us, like me who want to remain, we remain. No pressure either way, no one gets forced to leave.

I love the Empire, the Kingdom. I don't see a time that I'll ever want to leave this place. It's my home. But I can appreciate the sheer romance of fleet of ships sailing across the void to find a new place to live.

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”
Arrendis
TK Corp
#54 - 2015-08-15 01:45:52 UTC
Jade Blackwind wrote:
The tribes and even individual clans do a decent job of policing themselves, but add one or two extra layers of bureaucracy above that and as soon as clan, family and tribal ties, feuds and whatnot kick in, everything turns into a bloody clusterthukk.


We rebranded as 'The Imperium'...
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#55 - 2015-08-15 10:24:23 UTC
A nice twist to the debate, or just an opportunity to state an opinion:

If a person of Minmatar ancestry isn't loyal to the traditions of their clan or tribe, are they still Matari?

This is a broad question, so as before, interpret how you wish.

**Vherokior **
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#56 - 2015-08-15 10:38:01 UTC
Minmatar, sure. Matari? I wouldn't say so. Matari is more than blood. It's spirit, tradition, loyalty and adherence to Matari ways. This does not mean non-Matari don't have the potential to become Matari, or for Matari to lose their way and the right to call themselves Matari. It just means there is more to the Tribes than blood.
Praezius Vheruk
Gozantii Industries
#57 - 2015-09-03 09:02:08 UTC
~Sitting silent, reading transcription after transcription, entry after entry. Consider his own stance, and for quite a time, he finally taps the microphone, checks its wiring to be certain its transcription service is still active, and functioning.~

I's Matari. 'Ave bee' all me yearen.
I kin claim man' a man, man' a woman, alsae Matari, by 'deir sights.
Ye canna say't.
Nae haow otters woul' unter'stan't't.

'De Matari're strong, whetter 'lone're tae-getter. Matari... 'dey figh' w'en 't bae callin' fer 't. Le' notter mon ste' up tae t'row chains o'er me wrists--'e'll'ave a figh' on'is 'ands 'e's ne'er foun't bae e'en'is wimmens un'ter'is vile 'ands.
Le' an' mon set tae t'rowin' chains on me bruddas n'sistas; I's gon' bae 'dere tae tear 'dem free.

'De 'Public, t'ough?

On 'de one si'e o'de line, 'de 'Public 's in me blood 's deep 's 'de line cross't bae 'de 'Marrians. 'De cry an'de call bae 'dere.

O 'de otter si'e o'de line, 'de 'Public 's gon' stale. 'S a dyin' t'in. Fulla 'dose o'a bree' wot 'olds tae trads buil' on blood an' steep't'n fire. Tears tae bae shed're nae in our 'earts. We cain't, les't we bae shaen tae bae wee' tae our bruddas n'sistas. 'Das wrong. 'Das 'de 'Marrian doct'rine bae speakin' t'rough ye. 'Deir trads 'old strong, e'en w'en we want'em tae 'de leas'.

Tae bae fairen, w'en our bruddas n'sistas'd etter 'scape're bae brough'ome'n bags n'pouches... our smiles'ad tae fade. 'Ad tae bae kep'idden.

'Da were 'den.
'Dem days're long't pass't.

Fergive me iffin I's wax phil'soph'c 't ye, bu' weren 't 'n Atch... Akur... an.. A-chur-an sayin'... "Tae bae free o'de sins o'de pres'nt, firs' ye mus' fergive 'de sins o'de past"? 'S one'o'de'firs't'ins learn't, w'en ye gae 'cepted tae 'dey ranks.

Bu' tae fergive dinna mea'tae ferget. Ye ne'er ferget... 'de viles 'dat'appened, bae 'den; tae ferget 'llows 'dat't's gaen'appen 'gin. Sae, we dinna ferget. Bu' we fergive't.

'De 'Public woul'ave netter 'appen. Ferget, bae doctr'ne; bae nae tae fergive, netter.

Man' o'me trust'ds, naow, 'dey're 'Marrian. Man' 're Cald,n'man're G'leante. Man's fore fadders died tae brin' us tae a new age. 'De 'Public see's, tae me, tae'ave fergot'n 'dat.

Nae.
'De 'Public hain't nae a face, nae mer.
'S rag, n'tatter.

Sinc'erly,

Praezius Vheruk
Brutor

To discern faith from falsehood, first one must secure themselves to a lover. Raise the stakes from nightly, to permanent, and faith shall be found at the threshold of one's soul. ( Cup Size < Compassion's Depth, Love = Faith )
Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#58 - 2015-09-03 11:35:25 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Minmatar, sure. Matari? I wouldn't say so. Matari is more than blood. It's spirit, tradition, loyalty and adherence to Matari ways. This does not mean non-Matari don't have the potential to become Matari, or for Matari to lose their way and the right to call themselves Matari. It just means there is more to the Tribes than blood.


This accurately portrays my own stance on the subject. There is nothing more to add.

While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#59 - 2015-09-03 11:57:31 UTC
Cain Aloga wrote:
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Minmatar, sure. Matari? I wouldn't say so. Matari is more than blood. It's spirit, tradition, loyalty and adherence to Matari ways. This does not mean non-Matari don't have the potential to become Matari, or for Matari to lose their way and the right to call themselves Matari. It just means there is more to the Tribes than blood.


This accurately portrays my own stance on the subject. There is nothing more to add.



Nah, that's divisive. It's like saying we Sebbies are more "Matari" than the Brutor. It isn't a competition.

I've been a slave, been a FreeGrrl. Lived in HiSec, and LoSec. Learned to fly in the Republic, learned my trade in the Bleak Lands. Made my home in Khanid. Got my Voluval. Fought, lived, loved, retired and came out of retirement. Not all in that order.

I don't support the Republic. Nope, no way. Does that mean I'm not Matari? No. That's stupid. Do I support my people? Who are my people? Do I support someone in the Republic just because we share some DNA and cultural ties? Or do I support my family here?

What makes one Matari then? Minmatar is the classification of us based on genetic and cultural marks that tie us to the same "homeworld." Either "Matari" means the same thing, or it's a term that's meant to divide us.

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#60 - 2015-09-03 12:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Matari does not mean the same thing as Minmatar. We are divided.

I am Minmatar by ethnicity, but nothing else. I'm not a Republican, and I'm not Matari. I'm Amarr.

As for the Republic itself... it is its own worst enemy, and it has caused a lot of unnecessary hurt for a lot of people.