Player Features and Ideas Discussion

When you have enough fingers to count the number of jumps required to reach Catch, Stain and Curse, roamers are your everyday pests.

it is not isk, it is the hand wringing behind the key board.

The risk of loss has been almost eliminated due to the isk faucet that is wide open at the moment. No worries in losing your pod's, no worries on losing anything any more.

if some one wants to inject risk in the game, you would have to cram a sht ton of high end plants in your head to get the thrill back again.

No, isk no longer is a viable argument, it is an excuse.

They tried it.

We got those ****** burner missions.

Some things....

Even in pvp there is no pvp fit. You change homes a bit you will come across the good ole man where did you dig up that fit discussion when you show up on posted mails? Umm its the old corp one I ran, kind of like it so recorded it to have when I left it. Well its crap, lose it.


Not all pvp ships tackle. this would make pve even more boring as it has to be a brawler fit for it. No variety as snipe builds go out the window. As well tackling and sniping do not go in the same sentence with the technical limitation a sniper to now tackle is getting rats in the last place they want them....buzzing around 20km's or less. You know, the ideal range to start playing traversal games. 1200m/s fakes out tracking at close range better than at 70.

Hell I have some brawling fits....don't tackle with either. I have a fleet wolf. No tackle, it relies on others to do that. Mids MSE II and prop mod. Lows are gyro TE heavy (you get some fitting options when you don't worry about putting armour tank on a wolf). rigs enhance combat ability. Someone else tackles, I come in like a lead pipe to the back of the head.

With scaling you have farming. I have 2 very capable tengu pilots. Bring in the pvp tengu's everyone loves so much and farm away. Or the combat char flies all t3. Web loki/tengu is looking good. And with this half assed escalation is looking to be cost effective to run both accounts worst case.


YOu can also get this now. PVP ships can pve. Its not the isk per hour some would like but it works. Players choose to go in with the IWIN pve smashing rides. Me.....I don't feel less of man for having to warp out of mission to get a second wind and fly back in.

Worth noting this kInd if what smart pvp players do, at least at BS level. I didn't go oh no my rokh is about to die and stay there to die. Press warp, if not tackled gtfo, get my second wind, jump on a good warp in, round 2,3,4,...... fight.

My level 3 AF mission runner(I do this to spice up pve once in a while) is my pvp jaguar. Several actually. One jaguar has t2 resist rigs, another mixes cdfe and a gun rigs, other mixes work too, I just pull off scram. It keeps the web. PVP by extraction...if I am keeping range control for webs decent I will be keeping scram on target as well. that and level 3 is a lot of dps incoming....jaguar flown like ass is a dead jaguar.

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Why do you all want to bring your snorefests to my pacy pve?

Have you ever tried to write an AI?
Hell with that have you ever even sat down, taken 2 ships and then tried to flow chart all of the possible variables, all of the possible actions and outcomes that could occur from just these 2 ships? If not then I suggest you grab a lot of paper and try it, might give you an idea of how complex it would be. And yes I have been on a team tasked with writing a simple AI as a college project. From that experience I can only imagine the difficulty that your idea would be to execute.

Big question if this AI of yours is so simple how do you write an AI to handle the instant gut felling level of decisions that many PvP players make. You know like the one that has you charging forward with guns blazing when ALL of the information available says the right thing to do is warp off?


As you stated about my ideas so it is with yours, this is not proven by facts, it is merely your opinion of the situation.
I would venture a guess that even if they were in full on PvP fits most players would simply warp out if possible. Why is because even in a PvP fit ship they will be set up to handle the damage type the NPC will be hitting them with, knowing what that damage type is you would be fit to hit the ratter in his resist holes. Common sense and a common desire not to fight a losing battle dictates that the ratter would warp off rather than stay around and see what you brought to the party. I doubt I am but I could be wrong on this.


One does not need to hit ones own hand with a hammer to know it will hurt.
Likewise I do not need to see DATA to prove that some players will never fight no matter what you do to or with them, and it wil not matter what you change in the game. This is fact proven by many thousands of years of recorded human history and it will not change because this is EvE and it will not change because you say it should.


Then you should be more precise in communicating your ideas. These forums are populated by all manor of players with different outlooks and priorities. If you do not specify that your idea is for 0.0 space only then we must infer from what you do say that you intend it to be applied game wide.


See aboce about being more precise in communicating your ideas.

I seriously wonder if there are any PvPers who actually do this? Just warp in a fit without any idea of what they are going up against. The concept demonstrated does seem more restrictive though. Apparently the idea is to restrict the applicable toolset for PvE? If all it means is fewer options, why would that be desirable.

My I interest you in some very, very, very hard anomalies that if you don't bring a few corpmates will be the end of what you just flew in with?

The first burner missions were too difficult and too expensive for my taste, so I say no dear agent. But again I have found the ultimate pve challenge for small gangs Sleepers.
Too easy you say? Have you tried to engage 6 Sleepless Guardians at once? Your 3 billion marauder was just sacrificed to bob. Now we get three weeks of sunshine because of that sacrifice.

Yeah let someone gank you in class 5/6 sleeper anomalies, what could go wrong.. I'll tell you, since it happened to a buddy and I while doing a sleeper relic site.
We were in the last wave and doing well 'only' two battleships left on the field but you cannot compare those with Blood Raider or Guristas. We were orbiting the center of a structure at a wide orbit and a Heretic and a Phantasm appear on grid.
My corpmate asks me on comms if we should tower up and I took a few seconds and said "no, we could shoot them instead.."

Said and done. The Heretic goes down and we started to chase the Phantasm which bailed with no shields left (he was buffer tanked).
W-space is awesome. Use your immediate environment to your advantage. We made about 50m each for creating content and 15 minutes of excitement.

PVP is only boring if you are in lowsec with station humpers that cannot loose a single ship and undock archons on you, that typhoon must survive, it's the last one in EVE.

The thinking ahead type huh, lol.

The last time I saw a ccp:dev mention this was several years ago
iirc it was Seagull, who stated it was a long term goal to have no difference between a pvp fit and a pve fit

taking the timeframe into account, I would guess that the dev team have discovered that this is not a quick and simple fix

the differences between pve and pvp are complex and far reaching
npc's should equally operate more like pc's

which ccp tried with the sleeper AI .. and there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth

you might have to accept, that eve may always have an aspect to its gameplay that you don't like
ccp CANNOT make everyone happy all of the time, nor should they even try.