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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#161 - 2015-07-31 01:06:55 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
The real problem is, that anyone can be a CEO. No matter how **** they are, or how little they actually care for their members.

They can freely recruit day old newbies (or even hours) and send them to mine for the corp, and some even tax them for 50% or more (yes, such corps exist).


an in game corp ranking system based on CEO performance as a leader would help peoples search for corps.
perhaps a survey when leaving corp? ya know,, keep it simple. and have these reviews attached to all corp recruitment advertisements.

let the reviews speak for themselves. open to abuse ? allow one review per account per corp, people will try to stat pad it im sure.

hell a simple thumbs up or down button when leaving might even help.


I'd simply raise the barrier to entry for corp creation. Both in terms of isk and skillpoints. Accomplishes the same thing.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#162 - 2015-07-31 01:14:15 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Hengle Teron wrote:
The real problem is, that anyone can be a CEO. No matter how **** they are, or how little they actually care for their members.

They can freely recruit day old newbies (or even hours) and send them to mine for the corp, and some even tax them for 50% or more (yes, such corps exist).


an in game corp ranking system based on CEO performance as a leader would help peoples search for corps.
perhaps a survey when leaving corp? ya know,, keep it simple. and have these reviews attached to all corp recruitment advertisements.

let the reviews speak for themselves. open to abuse ? allow one review per account per corp, people will try to stat pad it im sure.

hell a simple thumbs up or down button when leaving might even help.


I'd simply raise the barrier to entry for corp creation. Both in terms of isk and skillpoints. Accomplishes the same thing.


But would it, when players can use plex to get ISK and characters from the bazaar? And still be a crappy CEO with a useless corp.

Experienced (or merely curious) players know to check out a corp for its war history and kill stats and so gain an idea of whether the corp and CEO is any good.

I'm not sure what more can be done for these new players except warn them.
John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#163 - 2015-07-31 01:24:36 UTC
WTF, that killboard! 6 pods and a rookie ship in 14 minutes from the same WT!?!

gf I guess?





Between Ignorance and Wisdom
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#164 - 2015-07-31 01:26:04 UTC
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:


But would it, when players can use plex to get ISK and characters from the bazaar? And still be a crappy CEO with a useless corp.



It still would, yes. If people wanted to spend real money to get around it, only to failcascade, that's their business. That's like asking if the training time for battleships still raises the barrier to entry just because you can buy a character. Yes, the barrier is still there.

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Experienced (or merely curious) players know to check out a corp for its war history and kill stats and so gain an idea of whether the corp and CEO is any good.

I'm not sure what more can be done for these new players except warn them.


We can start by not handcuffing conflict in highsec, so people can wipe these ******* out. Destroying corps like these lowers the signal to noise ratio, so to speak. Less bad corps equates to a better chance of newbies finding a worthwhile corp.

Between that and increasing the barrier to creating a corp in terms of isk and skillpoints, it should have the desired effect, and help proliferate conflict in highsec, which is a known driver of positive retention.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#165 - 2015-07-31 02:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Yoo Eet Mikakka wrote:
Just another example of how pathetic the players of this game are.

I undocked from the career agent station on day 1 with my new Merlin, and received a duel invite from a Rokh sitting on the undock. Really dude? Sitting on the undock of a starter system station, trying to trick newbs in crap-fit frigates to fight your battleship.
That's petitionable, CCP comes down like a tonne of bricks on people who do crap like that. Tricking newbies into fights in the starter and tutorial systems is something they frown upon very deeply; wardeccing a player corp is fair game, regardless of its composition or the members locations, it's an intended mechanic.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Valkin Mordirc
#166 - 2015-07-31 05:32:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Tiberius Heth wrote:
I'm just translating what you wanted to say but chose not to, to try and somehow sound legit. From one wardeccer to another: actively targeting true, days old, newbies is terrible.



Says the man with no Killboard?



Regardless I made the same point a while ago. Your tin foil seems to be blinding you.


What about all the other newbro friendly corps getting smashed by all other Merc Alliances.

Why is this on worth raising the pitch forks for? Why don't you go over to C&P click on Marmite advert thread and complain to them about how they are 'killing the game for newbies?' Or Forsaken? PIRATE? PRIATE? Whatever they're called. The Amarr Overlords.


You don't actually care. It's just easy for to sit there and type a paragraph on the horrors of it all, because that is easy.


You're worse than the Anti-Gankers. Some of them are horrible vile people but At least they try to stop ganks from happening, you just sitting spouting dribbling and tripe without action. Veers Bevlar, has more right to talk about subjest then you do because at least Veers made himself apart of the AG community.

It's Empty.

You're Hollow. I would be ashamed of myself.
#DeleteTheWeak
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2015-07-31 06:45:34 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
What about all the other newbro friendly corps getting smashed by all other Merc Alliances.


Its cowardly and they should be ashamed of themselves

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2015-07-31 06:55:19 UTC
Some said something earlier that I've been saying for years - raise the bar for CEO requirements. And now I know how, I just had a thought. Yes, it was mildly piercing, as thoughts go, but here it is.

Just make it so people have to spend a minimum amount of time in a corp before they can leave and join/start another. This actually solves two things: players get a chance to learn something about the game, and it prevents easy corp rolling for dec dodging. It also serves to get people thinking about what they're prepared to commit to.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2015-07-31 07:08:46 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Some said something earlier that I've been saying for years - raise the bar for CEO requirements. And now I know how, I just had a thought. Yes, it was mildly piercing, as thoughts go, but here it is.

Just make it so people have to spend a minimum amount of time in a corp before they can leave and join/start another. This actually solves two things: players get a chance to learn something about the game, and it prevents easy corp rolling for dec dodging. It also serves to get people thinking about what they're prepared to commit to.


how does that prevent noobs from being exploited into corps to be slaughtered by vets?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2015-07-31 07:09:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Lan Wang wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Some said something earlier that I've been saying for years - raise the bar for CEO requirements. And now I know how, I just had a thought. Yes, it was mildly piercing, as thoughts go, but here it is.

Just make it so people have to spend a minimum amount of time in a corp before they can leave and join/start another. This actually solves two things: players get a chance to learn something about the game, and it prevents easy corp rolling for dec dodging. It also serves to get people thinking about what they're prepared to commit to.


how does that prevent noobs from being exploited into corps to be slaughtered by vets?


I'm not convinced that's what's happening. No evidence, just someone wearing a lot of tinfoil making claims. It's just a **** CEO, I've seen this happening all over in my travels over the years I've played, including corps I've personally decced, where the CEO continues to recruit new people while under wardec conditions. If they do this, it's actually really easy to get an alt in as a spy.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Valkin Mordirc
#171 - 2015-07-31 07:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Lan Wang wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
What about all the other newbro friendly corps getting smashed by all other Merc Alliances.


Its cowardly and they should be ashamed of themselves



And where were the pitchforks then?


About Brave/Ivy being basically perma decced by all Mercs at once?

Where are the pitchforks for them?

What about EvE-College? Where were you when they were perma decced by Marmite for a month?

What about that streamers corp that was mentioned before?

What about all the other corps decced that are new?

Literally asked this question three times now, and everyone has skirted it.

Why do you care now?

Like I said. People care only when it's shoved under their noses.


If they don't care enough to actually look. And be proactive, rather than arguing on the games forum, in stopping it. Then I would say, hey look these people actually give a damn, But they don't. They are happy taking a sideline in small section of a game that the majority of EVE players don't even bother with, and type a little witty line about how it's ****** of someone to do it.

They don't care.



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how does that prevent noobs from being exploited into corps to be slaughtered by vets?


What proof is there of this being a thing? It was thrown into the wind for you all to grab on to.

There is no proof of someone doing this. I've never even heard of this until this post and I've been in the Merc Community for damn near three years now.

DWA has said it was a contracted dec. Meaning somebody contracted them to dec this corp. Why? I don't ******* know, but why pay someone, to dec your own 'Personal Padding Corp' The entire idea is crap,
#DeleteTheWeak
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2015-07-31 08:17:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
the proof is a killboard full of rookies being shot and a ceo with no history and a 0% tax rate used to recruit them. doesnt take a genius to see that mercs are killing rookies for whatever reason.

just because i care and have an opinion about endangered animals being hunted for fun in africa, doesnt mean im going to go over to africa and start shooting hunters and become a conservationist. thats the joys of this world people only realise when someone brings something like this to light otherwise its never noticed, it doesnt make it ok though and it doesnt mean people should not care and have views on what is happening.

where is the proof that they were paid to do this? there is none just like the proof you seek that this is happening, neither side can be proved by players to 100% legitimacy so its all speculation based on info available and what people say, you believe the mercs when they say they were paid so your opinion is no more relevant than mine because the proof is not there for either side. The joy of opinions.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Avvy
Doomheim
#173 - 2015-07-31 08:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
John E Normus wrote:
WTF, that killboard! 6 pods and a rookie ship in 14 minutes from the same WT!?!

gf I guess?








I don't actually care about killmails.

If you loot them you see what you've gained, if you read killmails you see what you've lost (what's been destroyed).


Edit:

Although one thing about them is that they can highlight when something looks suspicious, like what started this thread.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2015-07-31 08:31:55 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
the proof is a killboard full of rookies being shot and a ceo with no history and a 0% tax rate used to recruit them. doesnt take a genius to see that mercs are killing rookies for whatever reason.



No, you are jumping to a very elaborate conclusion with very limited data. There is nothing here that conclusively proves that is what is happening, and you are making assumptions

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#175 - 2015-07-31 08:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberius Heth
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
I'm just translating what you wanted to say but chose not to, to try and somehow sound legit. From one wardeccer to another: actively targeting true, days old, newbies is terrible.



Says the man with no Killboard?



Regardless I made the same point a while ago. Your tin foil seems to be blinding you.


What about all the other newbro friendly corps getting smashed by all other Merc Alliances.

Why is this on worth raising the pitch forks for? Why don't you go over to C&P click on Marmite advert thread and complain to them about how they are 'killing the game for newbies?' Or Forsaken? PIRATE? PRIATE? Whatever they're called. The Amarr Overlords.


You don't actually care. It's just easy for to sit there and type a paragraph on the horrors of it all, because that is easy.


You're worse than the Anti-Gankers. Some of them are horrible vile people but At least they try to stop ganks from happening, you just sitting spouting dribbling and tripe without action. Veers Bevlar, has more right to talk about subjest then you do because at least Veers made himself apart of the AG community.

It's Empty.

You're Hollow. I would be ashamed of myself.



Sounds like I touched a nerve there because you're going full ******. The reason I reply to this one is because:

a) there's a thread about it, who'd have thought
b) specifically aiming to kill 0 day newbies is fcking terrible and people who do this should be outed
c) I expected better from some people
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2015-07-31 08:33:33 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
the proof is a killboard full of rookies being shot and a ceo with no history and a 0% tax rate used to recruit them. doesnt take a genius to see that mercs are killing rookies for whatever reason.



No, you are jumping to a very elaborate conclusion with very limited data. There is nothing here that conclusively proves that is what is happening, and you are making assumptions


are you saying zkillboard is lying and this is all a conspiracy?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Valkin Mordirc
#177 - 2015-07-31 08:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Lan Wang wrote:
the proof is a killboard full of rookies being shot and a ceo with no history and a 0% tax rate used to recruit them. doesnt take a genius to see that mercs are killing rookies for whatever reason.

just because i care and have an opinion about endangered animals being hunted for fun in africa, doesnt mean im going to go over to africa and start shooting hunters and become a conservationist. thats the joys of this world people only realise when someone brings something like this to light otherwise its never noticed, it doesnt make it ok though and it doesnt mean people should not care and have views on what is happening.



I decced them Lan. I wasn't paid to dec them all it took was for me to see one flying around. I wasn't told to dec this corp. We killed a shitton of small **** and left it at that. The corp literally had one of the top ten new member growth on EVE-Who. Thats why they were decced so much.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Jarlhettur's%20Drop

Look at that growth. 100 members right at the start. And triples less than a month,

This. Is. Not. A Padding corp though.



Quote:
where is the proof that they were paid to do this? there is none just like the proof you seek that this is happening, neither side can be proved by players to 100% legitimacy so its all speculation based on info available and what people say, you believe the mercs when they say they were paid so your opinion is no more relevant than mine because the proof is not there for either side. The joy of opinions.


Look I respect you dude. But listen.

There is no proof that it's a god damn padding corp. OP made that statement. And did not supply a burden of truth. WHY should I believe them when they can't even back up there own statements? I know DWA. I respect them a ton. They a good people who play the game legitimately. DWA is willing to take anybody and show them how to play the game. You should at least understand that and then ask, "If they go out of there way to show newbies how to play, why would they dec a padding corp?"

It's like if I told you lizards ran the government.

I could say it all I want. Doesn't mean it true. And you could believe me. But does that make it true? No.

If somebody can show me this bullcrap is true. Then fine. But until then.

Please cut the crap.


Also again. Three years in the merc business. This is the first time I have even heard of this. Why is that? Why haven't I heard of this before.

Because it ******* stupid.
#DeleteTheWeak
Valkin Mordirc
#178 - 2015-07-31 08:44:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Tiberius Heth wrote:


Sounds like I touched a nerve there because you're going full ******. The reason I reply to this one is because:

a) there's a thread about it, who'd have thought
b) specifically aiming to kill 0 day newbies is fcking terrible and people who do this should be outed
c) I expected better from some people



A. And suddenly people. My point.
B. And specifically bring some of those players into corp and teaching them how to play?
C. Expectations of what? That EVE is a game of snowflakes and lolipops?


If you want to make a difference then make a difference.

The only thing you're doing here is arguing. The only time somebody really cares about what you have to say is after you do something about it.

So you don't like the newbs being slaughter?

Ally in.
Bring them into your own newbie corp.
Teach them how to play the game.


Your words mean jack**** until you put actions to them.
#DeleteTheWeak
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#179 - 2015-07-31 08:49:13 UTC
That's hilariously funny, if only you knew why.
Valkin Mordirc
#180 - 2015-07-31 08:51:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Tiberius Heth wrote:
That's hilariously funny, if only you knew why.


Show me why then.


Otherwise I have no reason to give you an single ounce of respect.


EDIT: I will listen, Im not an *******, generally, but crap like this is ********.
#DeleteTheWeak