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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#141 - 2015-07-30 10:33:37 UTC
If it is a bot then I hope they hit him with the Ban Hammer so hard his ancestors feel it.
That's just rotten.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#142 - 2015-07-30 10:34:44 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
If it is a bot then I hope they hit him with the Ban Hammer so hard his ancestors feel it.
That's just rotten.


...was, was that a Mulan reference?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#143 - 2015-07-30 10:36:31 UTC
I don't... think so? I dunno, as I have never seen it.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#144 - 2015-07-30 10:41:37 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I don't... think so? I dunno, as I have never seen it.


My daughter watched it the other day. One of the characters says something to the effect of "I'll hit you so hard it will make your ancestors dizzy!"

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Avvy
Doomheim
#145 - 2015-07-30 11:02:41 UTC
La Rynx wrote:

We are talking newbros, when we use the words seal clubbers. Yes some di?ks will still go for newbros but the eula forbids it.




Does it?

I thought it mainly related to starter systems and like in this thread the suspicion that someone is farming them for killmails.

I don't think newbros should be protected too much, there should be a degree of protection to make sure people are not exploiting them before they have a chance to get used to the game.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#146 - 2015-07-30 11:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
We can argue forever that when CCP advertised be the villian, they had an image of a james bond villian rather than a pathetic seal clubbing granny mugging lowlife.

It is a sandbox, so one can choose.

HOWEVER if this corp has been deliberately set up to provide vast numbers of newbies to be delivered to the slaughterhouse of another corp or alliance that the alt of the ceo is a member of, then the eula should be enforced so hard, they will regret ever having joined EVE applying to ALL of their characters.

Hopefully the official petition created earlier will deliver the appropriate response.
There are times, the banhammer should deal a focused tap, and times, it should leave nothing behind, but a bloody paste.
This may be one of those times.

And hopefully no one will try to further defend such behaviour, this is not about eve being a hard dark game, it is about (potentially) slimy lowlifes trying to get their sadistic jollies, targeting the weakest, and least experienced, without being noticed (if true.)

This gives everyone a bad name, legitimate gankers, mercenary corps, eve as a whole etc, and does no one any favours.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Avvy
Doomheim
#147 - 2015-07-30 12:09:07 UTC
Avvy wrote:



I don't think newbros should be protected too much,


Thought I'd explain this a bit more.

This game in essence is a PvP game.

In other MMOs you get a lot of PvE players using PvP servers even when they have a choice.

Why do they do it, probably for 2 reasons. The first is they perceive it as being more macho and probably more importantly, because although they don't PvP they like the risk.




Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#148 - 2015-07-30 12:13:41 UTC
So.. I've been watching this post for a while.

First of all I think alot of people in eve need a tinfoil adjustment. Roll
That being said, I would like to bring some facts.

Devils (we, the bad mercs..) did take a contract against the corp in question.
We where not their first dec, many other had been at them.
When the time came for extending the dec, the employer was abit late and we needed to re launch.

Then a random dude comes with a divious idea on the forum claiming this corp was made by mercs just to farm.
Suddenly troll frenzy and tinfoilhats flying, not that shocking tho.. its eve.
I actually would love for CCP to divolge the result of their investigation of this.

On another note.. IF I wanted to go on a turkey shoot.. why not dec Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation?
I dont see anyone complaining about PIRAT, Marmite etc.. killing noobs in the thousands.
The only difference is the leadership in the target corporations.
One stepping up to the challenge and inform their newbro's about the situation their in, the other is a bot?

The real bad guy here is their CEO.
Wonder why someone hired us?
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#149 - 2015-07-30 12:15:35 UTC
Avvy wrote:
Avvy wrote:



I don't think newbros should be protected too much,


Thought I'd explain this a bit more.

This game in essence is a PvP game.

In other MMOs you get a lot of PvE players using PvP servers even when they have a choice.

Why do they do it, probably for 2 reasons. The first is they perceive it as being more macho and probably more importantly, because although they don't PvP they like the risk.


Something like that.
You just can do both when you want to.
PvE or PVP. If i am not up to PvP i can relax at PvE.
Like GTA5:
Play some relaxed GTA5 Storyline or go GTA Online where i can be shot any moment.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#150 - 2015-07-30 12:20:50 UTC
"a contract", last time I heard that excuse MC was still sucking on BOB's teet.


Here's how I see it:

A corp that specifically targets newbies in newbie & career systems to join them without stating said those newbies are in for a whole lot of PVP because they're wardecced to hell and back, is newbie griefing. It's really very simple. A GM doesn't' care about your amazing elawering about how your way of "interacting with newbies" should somehow be allowed in those systems. It isn't, end of story.

Taking advantage of this situation is questionable at best.
Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#151 - 2015-07-30 13:06:46 UTC
To open up anothet twist in these twisted thinkings.

If these new players know so little about Eve and/or online gaming in general that they
- join a corp without investigation
- have no clue about the nature of highsec
- don't know how wardecs work,
how are they supposed to know about tax rates and that they are being shorthanded by the NPC corps?

This doesn't add up.
Avvy
Doomheim
#152 - 2015-07-30 13:19:32 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
To open up anothet twist in these twisted thinkings.

If these new players know so little about Eve and/or online gaming in general that they
- join a corp without investigation
- have no clue about the nature of highsec
- don't know how wardecs work,
how are they supposed to know about tax rates and that they are being shorthanded by the NPC corps?

This doesn't add up.




'- join a corp without investigation'

Would they even know what they are looking for. In other games new players often join because they get advice, people to play with, perks and whatever other benefits come with being in a guild/corp depending on the game.


'- have no clue about the nature of highsec'

Depends how long they've been playing, some don't even know how to sell something.


'- don't know how wardecs work,'

Why should they know how wardecs work, don't remember it being covered by the career agents.


As far as I know tax rates are fairly straight forward.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#153 - 2015-07-30 13:58:19 UTC
Lord Razpataz wrote:
So.. I've been watching this post for a while.

First of all I think alot of people in eve need a tinfoil adjustment. Roll
That being said, I would like to bring some facts.

Devils (we, the bad mercs..) did take a contract against the corp in question.
We where not their first dec, many other had been at them.
When the time came for extending the dec, the employer was abit late and we needed to re launch.

Then a random dude comes with a divious idea on the forum claiming this corp was made by mercs just to farm.
Suddenly troll frenzy and tinfoilhats flying, not that shocking tho.. its eve.
I actually would love for CCP to divolge the result of their investigation of this.

On another note.. IF I wanted to go on a turkey shoot.. why not dec Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation?
I dont see anyone complaining about PIRAT, Marmite etc.. killing noobs in the thousands.
The only difference is the leadership in the target corporations.
One stepping up to the challenge and inform their newbro's about the situation their in, the other is a bot?

The real bad guy here is their CEO.
Wonder why someone hired us?


The boss man speaks, and addresses an important point I brought up earlier.
PIRAT, Marmite, FA, PIZZA etc have all decced the Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation in the past few weeks.
This is another corp that is very new and is mostly comprised of members who are less than a month old, most are maybe two to three weeks old.
They've been getting stomped on in droves.
Was there an hour long 'save the children!' infomercial made just for them? No. They organized and fought back.
Instead of embracing their own powerlessness they had the unmitigated GALL to bring a gigantic fleet of war crazy newbies right to the front door of their aggressors. Against all odds, and despite their own ignorance, they have managed on TWO occasions to down very shiny T3 cruisers flown by 'elite pvp'ers' who fielded fairly large fleets complete with Nestor logistic support.

I honestly have quite a bit of respect for these guys. They've earned it. They're new, they have no idea what they're doing, but they're also learning, adapting, and striving to survive.

And then there's these other guys...
Their home base is so far away from where we generally operate that bringing ships that warp fast is the only reasonable choice. Most of their losses have been from frigates, destroyers (yes, T3 dessies... they are kind of the rage nowadays), and a few cruisers. If they were to communicate and organize they could easily field a fleet that would challenge the 'seal clubbers', but they don't. They have no communication and they have no effective leadership. They are just being thrust out into the battlefield with no instruction and in most cases no idea that they're being sent off to war.

Do I feel sympathy for these guys who are being thrown under the bus by their so called leader? Of course I do. Will I stop shooting at them? Of course not. Their destruction is necessary. It's a grim harvest that will likely yield bitter fruit, but those who endure the culling are those who will thrive in this world we share. Some will come to join us. Others will go elsewhere. Out of the 342 or so estimated members at my last count, statistically only about 35-40 will remain in the game regardless. I only hope that the few we do recruit in this manner are among those.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#154 - 2015-07-30 14:19:14 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Do I feel sympathy for these guys who are being thrown under the bus by their so called leader? Of course I do. Will I stop shooting at them? Of course not. Their destruction is necessary. It's a grim harvest that will likely yield bitter fruit, but those who endure the culling are those who will thrive in this world we share. Some will come to join us. Others will go elsewhere. Out of the 342 or so estimated members at my last count, statistically only about 35-40 will remain in the game regardless. I only hope that the few we do recruit in this manner are among those.



Yes damn those 5 hours old players. Fcking scrubs the lot of them! Do they not know who you are!
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#155 - 2015-07-30 14:35:12 UTC
the things you quote bear no resemblance to the words you spew.
perhaps we're not speaking the same language?

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#156 - 2015-07-30 16:32:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberius Heth
I'm just translating what you wanted to say but chose not to, to try and somehow sound legit. From one wardeccer to another: actively targeting true, days old, newbies is terrible.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#157 - 2015-07-30 16:52:14 UTC
The real problem is, that anyone can be a CEO. No matter how **** they are, or how little they actually care for their members.

They can freely recruit day old newbies (or even hours) and send them to mine for the corp, and some even tax them for 50% or more (yes, such corps exist).
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#158 - 2015-07-31 00:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Remiel Pollard wrote:


As already stated in this thread, by a dev, there are specific rules against specific actions older players can take against newer ones. Despite IZ's assertion that EVE was once a perfect world with no bad people (how she could possible know that having not been here from the beginning, I don't know, since the current owner of the account bought it off someone else), EVE's nature would always necessitate some hand-holding of newbros to such an environment. However, IZ's rabid mouth-frothing is not about griefing nubs, it's just how she is when in the presence of superior beings, such as myself, and other CODE members.


yes i'm well aware of the rules and the stance ISD has on new bro farming. EVE was never a fluffy world and never will be so let ISD deal with it if there is an issue..

was the last bit about superior beings an shite role playing ? ya mad fecker RollLol
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#159 - 2015-07-31 00:43:35 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
The real problem is, that anyone can be a CEO. No matter how **** they are, or how little they actually care for their members.

They can freely recruit day old newbies (or even hours) and send them to mine for the corp, and some even tax them for 50% or more (yes, such corps exist).


an in game corp ranking system based on CEO performance as a leader would help peoples search for corps.
perhaps a survey when leaving corp? ya know,, keep it simple. and have these reviews attached to all corp recruitment advertisements.

let the reviews speak for themselves. open to abuse ? allow one review per account per corp, people will try to stat pad it im sure.

hell a simple thumbs up or down button when leaving might even help.
Yoo Eet Mikakka
Doomheim
#160 - 2015-07-31 01:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Yoo Eet Mikakka
Just another example of how pathetic the players of this game are.

I undocked from the career agent station on day 1 with my new Merlin, and received a duel invite from a Rokh sitting on the undock. Really dude? Sitting on the undock of a starter system station, trying to trick newbs in crap-fit frigates to fight your battleship. Wow. I guess he couldn't even do it in a frigate himself, he needed to make sure to have an unbreakable tank. Just in case. Those newb Merlins can put out 50 dps you know. Roll

My first few days I've seen plenty of years-old players running burrows and hideaways in .9 systems with their Gilas and whatnot. Good job dudes. Show those newbs how it's done.

Here we have some form of newb farming corp. And merc corps who are glad to participate, rather than researching the corp a bit and deciding not to take part in the joke.

If I were actually a new player and not an alt I might be surprised.