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Thorlund Amatin
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-07-28 18:14:21 UTC
I think you misunderstand me, although not unreasonably. I hinted at that particular alliance because I couldn't think of another way of directing you to the corp this thread is about without falling foul of the forum rules. It just so happened that particular alliance has had a lot of kills against that corp recently. I wasn't accusing you of anything underhand, although reading back on my post it could have been construed that way, which wasn't my intention.
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#22 - 2015-07-28 18:19:21 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Thorlund Amatin wrote:
Let's just say... if you check the kills of a certain well-known alliance of Lucifer's soldiers... the picture will become clear.



You realise this isn't their first wardec right?
That it's not our responsibility to ensure that their members understand what they're signing up for
and in fact should be doing so themselves.

Are they?

Is there any mention anywhere in their current recruitment process that they might be targeted?

Has anyone in the corp said or done anything to enable their newbros to defend themselves?

You realise lords.of.midnight is a teaching corp that is well known for recruiting players they shoot.

Bet you weren't aware we are actually already training one of the lads from that corp.


Also I guarantee you they will have been wardecked by someone reading this thread.



The question being asked I believe is: -

1.) Is this corp merely a front for a war-deccing corp to lure 0-day noobs into a war for cheap shitz and giggles?

2.) Is CCP ok with this?

Personally, 6 years in game, nothing would surprise me. Also, personally speaking because I love this game, I'd hit them so hard with the ban hammer the ears of the decedents of their decedents will be ringing.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#23 - 2015-07-28 18:21:43 UTC
So desperate for kills some players are, being not far from ISK obsessed players, I would not put it past them to run a scam corp setup. The people running the noob corp and the people deccing it are the same.

That sort of patheticness is what drives people away. But I think that for many players, driving others out of the game is their game.

yeah yeah everybody wants to be Tyler Durden and destroy something. Big deal.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#24 - 2015-07-28 18:23:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Thorlund Amatin wrote:
I think you misunderstand me, although not unreasonably. I hinted at that particular alliance because I couldn't think of another way of directing you to the corp this thread is about without falling foul of the forum rules. It just so happened that particular alliance has had a lot of kills against that corp recently. I wasn't accusing you of anything underhand, although reading back on my post it could have been construed that way, which wasn't my intention.

Thanks for the clarification, might I ask you edit the op to reflect this ?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#25 - 2015-07-28 18:34:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Desert Ice78 wrote:
The question being asked I believe is: -

1.) Is this corp merely a front for a war-deccing corp to lure 0-day noobs into a war for cheap shitz and giggles?
If only for shiggles why go to the bother when you can lure them in and run a reverse safari, newbies generally won't know to look for corps that are friendly fire disabled. Unless of course having a green KB is worth the time and cost of setting such a thing up; I certainly can't see Devils, Marmite or BAW stooping that low.

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2.) Is CCP ok with this?
That entirely depends on whether or the targeted corp is:
  • a corp being run by people who either don't care and/or lack the experience to be running more than a one man tax evasion corp.
  • being specifically used to honeypot newbies.

    • The former is a fairly normal state of affairs, at least in highsec; the latter would need to be looked at by CCP.

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    flakeys
    Doomheim
    #26 - 2015-07-28 18:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
    Baaldor wrote:
    Thorlund Amatin wrote:
    Let's just say... if you check the kills of a certain well-known alliance of Lucifer's soldiers... the picture will become clear.




    So...we have some sort of thread started by an alt, about someone we really could care less about, using mechanics that may or may not be legal, and this is running on assumptions?

    Very much so.

    We are hardly the first corp to have our way with them,
    admittedly we are considerably better at hunting them than anyone else has been but that's hardly evidence of anything more than we are good at what we do.






    It's like gloating how awsome your boxing skills are after you punched 20 kids of age 3 in the face .... Shocked.



    Those guys lost 500+ ships in one month worth ONLY 3.9 B total.Calling it a turkeyshoot would be an understatement.

    We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
    Thorlund Amatin
    Doomheim
    #27 - 2015-07-28 19:03:59 UTC
    I'm not going to change my previous post Ralph, and here's why. After my last post in this thread I logged in and checked both of the war reports of the dec between your alliance and the corp in question (your alliance has decced this corp twice, and no you're not the only ones to dec them).

    Out of the current total of 114 kills by your alliance against this corp, literally every single victim apart from one was created in July 2015. The other one was created in June. Your alliance is deccing players that are less than a month old - as are the other corps/alliances.

    Now, to me there is something very strange about this. The sheer numbers of new players in this corp falling victim to the deccers are not normal. Just look at the losses. My suspicion is that the corp was created as a trap for new players so deccers could shoot them like fish in a barrel, and let's be honest, that's what you and other deccers have been doing. That's why you decced them a second time just days after scoring over 100 kills against them.

    And don't pretend you never check the players you're podding. You - and I mean everyone who decced them - knew you were killing new players. You probably didn't know they were recruited in noob systems, maybe some did, I can't say. But it looks like some serious rookie griefing is going on here - and will continue to go on as long as you guys keep shooting them - and I have left it to the GMs to sort out.
    Nicolai Serkanner
    Incredible.
    Brave Collective
    #28 - 2015-07-28 19:25:55 UTC
    Thorlund Amatin wrote:
    I'm not going to change my previous post Ralph, and here's why. After my last post in this thread I logged in and checked both of the war reports of the dec between your alliance and the corp in question (your alliance has decced this corp twice, and no you're not the only ones to dec them).

    Out of the current total of 114 kills by your alliance against this corp, literally every single victim apart from one was created in July 2015. The other one was created in June. Your alliance is deccing players that are less than a month old - as are the other corps/alliances.

    Now, to me there is something very strange about this. The sheer numbers of new players in this corp falling victim to the deccers are not normal. Just look at the losses. My suspicion is that the corp was created as a trap for new players so deccers could shoot them like fish in a barrel, and let's be honest, that's what you and other deccers have been doing. That's why you decced them a second time just days after scoring over 100 kills against them.

    And don't pretend you never check the players you're podding. You - and I mean everyone who decced them - knew you were killing new players. You probably didn't know they were recruited in noob systems, maybe some did, I can't say. But it looks like some serious rookie griefing is going on here - and will continue to go on as long as you guys keep shooting them - and I have left it to the GMs to sort out.


    Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well?
    Thorlund Amatin
    Doomheim
    #29 - 2015-07-28 19:38:18 UTC
    Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
    Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well?


    Not if you clearly advertised your corp as a highly active PvP corp so that players joining you knew what they were in for.

    The corp I'm talking about spams newbies in rookie systems with a recruitment ad that boasts its 0.0% tax rate as in incentive to join. It's not the same thing.
    Ralph King-Griffin
    New Eden Tech Support
    #30 - 2015-07-28 19:41:18 UTC
    Thorlund Amatin wrote:
    Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
    Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well?


    Not if you clearly advertised your corp as a highly active PvP corp so that players joining you knew what they were in for.

    The corp I'm talking about spams newbies in rookie systems with a recruitment ad that boasts its 0.0% tax rate as in incentive to join. It's not the same thing.

    So the issue then is with the Corps recruiting policy.

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    Doomheim
    #31 - 2015-07-28 19:56:45 UTC
    I believe a ban is in order.
    flakeys
    Doomheim
    #32 - 2015-07-28 20:08:33 UTC
    Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
    Thorlund Amatin wrote:
    Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
    Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well?


    Not if you clearly advertised your corp as a highly active PvP corp so that players joining you knew what they were in for.

    The corp I'm talking about spams newbies in rookie systems with a recruitment ad that boasts its 0.0% tax rate as in incentive to join. It's not the same thing.

    So the issue then is with the Corps recruiting policy.



    Yes it is.




    However hiding behind that as an excuse to kill noobs speaks volumes about your Alliance ...

    We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
    Lan Wang
    Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
    Safety. Net
    #33 - 2015-07-28 20:19:52 UTC
    wow that killboard is incredible, you mercs really do stoop to low levels Shocked

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    flakeys
    Doomheim
    #34 - 2015-07-28 20:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
    Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
    Thorlund Amatin wrote:
    I'm not going to change my previous post Ralph, and here's why. After my last post in this thread I logged in and checked both of the war reports of the dec between your alliance and the corp in question (your alliance has decced this corp twice, and no you're not the only ones to dec them).

    Out of the current total of 114 kills by your alliance against this corp, literally every single victim apart from one was created in July 2015. The other one was created in June. Your alliance is deccing players that are less than a month old - as are the other corps/alliances.

    Now, to me there is something very strange about this. The sheer numbers of new players in this corp falling victim to the deccers are not normal. Just look at the losses. My suspicion is that the corp was created as a trap for new players so deccers could shoot them like fish in a barrel, and let's be honest, that's what you and other deccers have been doing. That's why you decced them a second time just days after scoring over 100 kills against them.

    And don't pretend you never check the players you're podding. You - and I mean everyone who decced them - knew you were killing new players. You probably didn't know they were recruited in noob systems, maybe some did, I can't say. But it looks like some serious rookie griefing is going on here - and will continue to go on as long as you guys keep shooting them - and I have left it to the GMs to sort out.


    Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well?



    Unlike most players you guys pulled your pants down from day one and asked to be abused over and over.Maybe that is the reason why PL and BL gave you that special treatment .. who knowsLol.Some people just like S&M ....

    We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
    flakeys
    Doomheim
    #35 - 2015-07-28 20:31:18 UTC
    Lan Wang wrote:
    wow that killboard is incredible, you mercs really do stoop to low levels Shocked



    I'm awaiting for someone to say that according to CCP being killed in your first weeks does not make you quit the game sooner ....


    It really is taking long in this thread though ...

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    Dave Stark
    #36 - 2015-07-28 21:14:11 UTC
    every time a new player joins the game they're told "go and lose a bunch of t1 frigates, it's the best way to learn!"

    then all of a sudden you're literally some kind of abominable monster if you shoot a new player flying a t1 frigate?

    what the hell has happened to this place?
    Baaldor
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #37 - 2015-07-28 21:28:48 UTC
    Dave Stark wrote:
    what the hell has happened to this place?


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    Ralph King-Griffin
    New Eden Tech Support
    #38 - 2015-07-28 21:30:25 UTC
    Dave Stark wrote:
    every time a new player joins the game they're told "go and lose a bunch of t1 frigates, it's the best way to learn!"

    then all of a sudden you're literally some kind of abominable monster if you shoot a new player flying a t1 frigate?

    what the hell has happened to this place?

    It's pitchfork season, can't be helped

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    Lan Wang
    Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
    Safety. Net
    #39 - 2015-07-28 21:30:31 UTC
    Dave Stark wrote:
    every time a new player joins the game they're told "go and lose a bunch of t1 frigates, it's the best way to learn!"

    then all of a sudden you're literally some kind of abominable monster if you shoot a new player flying a t1 frigate?

    what the hell has happened to this place?


    its a bit different when you are recruiting into a corp so you can be target practice for a group of mercs. half those guys are just getting repeatbly killed and probably forced to just log off and never return.

    great learning experience huh

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    Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
    Vincent Athena
    Photosynth
    #40 - 2015-07-28 21:31:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
    flakeys wrote:
    Lan Wang wrote:
    wow that killboard is incredible, you mercs really do stoop to low levels Shocked



    I'm awaiting for someone to say that according to CCP being killed in your first weeks does not make you quit the game sooner ....


    It really is taking long in this thread though ...

    That's because their statement was something like "being ganked in the first two weeks does not result in quitting the game".
    They have not commented on the first week. Nor have they on what those who join a corp at war without being told what a war is in Eve, and the consequences of getting into one, end up doing.

    BTW, is there a possibility that the "corp full of new pilots" is actually a corp full of extra-account alts of the deccers? That is, they are padding their killboard with themselves?

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