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Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-07-29 12:40:20 UTC
One legit concern for the solo BS pilot that only sports one heavy neut, is cap injected active tanked T3D. I cant think of a single BS in the game bar a Vindicator that could kill my standard Svipul fit once i have a tight orbit. Even in a straight T2 fit with crystals/links/pill its got 37 sig and a 600+ dps tank as well as the AB/Nos.

That is an absolute nightmare to shake off in a BS if you only have one neut.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2015-07-29 12:48:44 UTC
no argument here
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2015-07-29 12:51:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
id like to see an example of a cruiser (that is not a gila/faction/t2) that can take on a bs
t1 vs t1
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-07-29 13:00:00 UTC
Only way i could see it happening would be if the T1 BS in question had no web/heavy neut. That way you could either hug it tight with an active tanked brawler or kite it assuming the BS had short ranged weaponry.

Both scenarios require bad fits on the Battleships side with no appreciation for covering your weaknesses.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2015-07-29 13:04:08 UTC
my point exactly. tyvm
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#46 - 2015-07-29 13:05:47 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
One legit concern for the solo BS pilot that only sports one heavy neut, is cap injected active tanked T3D. I cant think of a single BS in the game bar a Vindicator that could kill my standard Svipul fit once i have a tight orbit. Even in a straight T2 fit with crystals/links/pill its got 37 sig and a 600+ dps tank as well as the AB/Nos.

That is an absolute nightmare to shake off in a BS if you only have one neut.

.
That is also an insanely specialized fit.
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-07-29 13:12:23 UTC
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
Switch Savage wrote:
One legit concern for the solo BS pilot that only sports one heavy neut, is cap injected active tanked T3D. I cant think of a single BS in the game bar a Vindicator that could kill my standard Svipul fit once i have a tight orbit. Even in a straight T2 fit with crystals/links/pill its got 37 sig and a 600+ dps tank as well as the AB/Nos.

That is an absolute nightmare to shake off in a BS if you only have one neut.

.
That is also an insanely specialized fit.


Honestly i wish it was specialised but its not. Sadly its not its just a variant of the old pre-nerf fit everyone used with a Aux power core to make it fit. Check my killboard if you want to check it. Anyway going off topic but other T3D active fits are just as dangerous to a BS with only one utility neut and not enough webs to make main guns apply well.
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#48 - 2015-07-29 13:22:00 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
Switch Savage wrote:
One legit concern for the solo BS pilot that only sports one heavy neut, is cap injected active tanked T3D. I cant think of a single BS in the game bar a Vindicator that could kill my standard Svipul fit once i have a tight orbit. Even in a straight T2 fit with crystals/links/pill its got 37 sig and a 600+ dps tank as well as the AB/Nos.

That is an absolute nightmare to shake off in a BS if you only have one neut.

.
That is also an insanely specialized fit.


Honestly i wish it was specialised but its not. Sadly its not its just a variant of the old pre-nerf fit everyone used with a Aux power core to make it fit. Check my killboard if you want to check it. Anyway going off topic but other T3D active fits are just as dangerous to a BS with only one utility neut and not enough webs to make main guns apply well.



Most people arent going to be running a full set of crystals and a ogb. Hell a fair amount of roams still dont bring proper boosters.
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2015-07-29 13:25:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Switch Savage
I am just speaking worst case scenario which is important. Remove links and its still a huge threat, remove implants/drugs and your looking at ISK poor/new pvpers or people who refuse to min max. All of which are conditions a competent BS pilot would flourish under.

Also note my comment was only directed at a BS sporting one heavy neut as well and any more than that changes the scenario.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2015-07-29 13:28:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
Switch Savage wrote:
One legit concern for the solo BS pilot that only sports one heavy neut, is cap injected active tanked T3D. I cant think of a single BS in the game bar a Vindicator that could kill my standard Svipul fit once i have a tight orbit. Even in a straight T2 fit with crystals/links/pill its got 37 sig and a 600+ dps tank as well as the AB/Nos.

That is an absolute nightmare to shake off in a BS if you only have one neut.



A single heavy neut can **** up a cap boosting t3 dessie, assuming you make him run his rep/sb some, which, really, you should be able to unless your BS had no business going in space solo (i assume we talking about solo BS, otherwise it's kinda a moot point)

(also, this only really applies to svipul and jackdaw, hecate and fessor are gonna be cap ****** easier, cuz weapons)
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2015-07-29 13:33:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Switch Savage
When you factor in a small cap boosters reload time as well as a NOS it is more than reasonable to say that a T3D can pin a BS with only one heavy neut for a very long time. Like you say it depends entirely on the amount of damage you are taking and thus the battleship you are up against.

Edit: Because you edited your argument.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#52 - 2015-07-29 13:39:10 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
One legit concern for the solo BS pilot that only sports one heavy neut, is cap injected active tanked T3D. I cant think of a single BS in the game bar a Vindicator that could kill my standard Svipul fit once i have a tight orbit. Even in a straight T2 fit with crystals/links/pill its got 37 sig and a 600+ dps tank as well as the AB/Nos.

That is an absolute nightmare to shake off in a BS if you only have one neut.


The links and sig reduction would be cause of concern.. but i mean what can really kill a linked, HG crystal, BP'd anything without a blob? Id consider fighting you in my application fit typhoon.. but id be more confident in my FI phoon. But thats cause i gets 2 neuts :)

Ive killed linked stuff before, but you throw in the best of the best at a fit, its going to be monsterous regardless of what it is. Hell i see dead terrorist bads fly around in linked breachers all the time. Although i do enjoy shooting their links when they are in the middle of a fight.

Using the holy grail of cancer fits doesnt mean BS are weak either. No offense ofc. But you are probably using svipul because its still broken and continues to scale exceedingly well with links, crystals, drugs.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-07-29 13:45:02 UTC
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Switch Savage wrote:
One legit concern for the solo BS pilot that only sports one heavy neut, is cap injected active tanked T3D. I cant think of a single BS in the game bar a Vindicator that could kill my standard Svipul fit once i have a tight orbit. Even in a straight T2 fit with crystals/links/pill its got 37 sig and a 600+ dps tank as well as the AB/Nos.

That is an absolute nightmare to shake off in a BS if you only have one neut.


The links and sig reduction would be cause of concern.. but i mean what can really kill a linked, HG crystal, BP'd anything without a blob? Id consider fighting you in my application fit typhoon.. but id be more confident in my FI phoon. But thats cause i gets 2 neuts :)

Ive killed linked stuff before, but you throw in the best of the best at a fit, its going to be monsterous regardless of what it is. Hell i see dead terrorist bads fly around in linked breachers all the time. Although i do enjoy shooting their links when they are in the middle of a fight.

Using the holy grail of cancer fits doesnt mean BS are weak either. No offense ofc. But you are probably using svipul because its still broken and continues to scale exceedingly well with links, crystals, drugs.


I was merely pointing out a new concern for the solo BS pilot who rely on just one Heavy neut. I also never said BS were weak as a result of this I was simply pointing out an issue they face in the current meta.

Only just started flying Svipuls at the start of this month and have been enjoying it thus far (hard not to with how OP they are).
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2015-07-29 13:47:13 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
When you factor in a small cap boosters reload time as well as a NOS it is more than reasonable to say that a T3D can pin a BS with only one heavy neut for a very long time. Like you say it depends entirely on the amount of damage you are taking and thus the battleship you are up against.

Edit: Because you edited your argument.



well, we're talking about a BS that can apply no damage to a t3d, so something with long range weaps, no web, no missiles, no drones... why would anyone go solo in something like that

a frig would be just as capable at pinning down such a bs
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#55 - 2015-07-29 13:51:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitch Kaneland
Switch Savage wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Switch Savage wrote:
One legit concern for the solo BS pilot that only sports one heavy neut, is cap injected active tanked T3D. I cant think of a single BS in the game bar a Vindicator that could kill my standard Svipul fit once i have a tight orbit. Even in a straight T2 fit with crystals/links/pill its got 37 sig and a 600+ dps tank as well as the AB/Nos.

That is an absolute nightmare to shake off in a BS if you only have one neut.


The links and sig reduction would be cause of concern.. but i mean what can really kill a linked, HG crystal, BP'd anything without a blob? Id consider fighting you in my application fit typhoon.. but id be more confident in my FI phoon. But thats cause i gets 2 neuts :)

Ive killed linked stuff before, but you throw in the best of the best at a fit, its going to be monsterous regardless of what it is. Hell i see dead terrorist bads fly around in linked breachers all the time. Although i do enjoy shooting their links when they are in the middle of a fight.

Using the holy grail of cancer fits doesnt mean BS are weak either. No offense ofc. But you are probably using svipul because its still broken and continues to scale exceedingly well with links, crystals, drugs.


I was merely pointing out a new concern for the solo BS pilot who rely on just one Heavy neut. I also never said BS were weak as a result of this I was simply pointing out an issue they face in the current meta.

Only just started flying Svipuls at the start of this month and have been enjoying it thus far (hard not to with how OP they are).


Fair enough. However, its not only a solo BS issue. That same svipul would also ruin most BC, cruisers, destroyers and other frigs/t3ds in solo scenarios as well.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2015-07-29 14:02:29 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Daniela Doran wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
I'm a person who use Battleships ALOT. And i can say after using Battleships since 2005 that they are awesome if you use them correctly and knows what you are doing.

I have several videos where i use Battleships aswell. Expecting to see a Battleship perform well by slapping on some random stuffs on a Battleship and go around with it not knowing what you are doing with it, wont get you far.

Here you have 3 videos that i have made through the last years where i mainly use Battleships.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i58srJMfrfM

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u2YSu0ugts

3. This one is special considering this was done in high sec: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ-_61zfTE8

If you feel that you don't know enough about Battleships, you can ask me, because i know everything about them.


Does this include Marauders?

I haven't used Marauders in any PVP yet. I had one Kronos ready to be used for PVP, but it died X.

But i believe Marauders should be really good aswell. Just ask 'big miker' about that.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2015-07-29 14:06:07 UTC
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
Switch Savage wrote:
When you factor in a small cap boosters reload time as well as a NOS it is more than reasonable to say that a T3D can pin a BS with only one heavy neut for a very long time. Like you say it depends entirely on the amount of damage you are taking and thus the battleship you are up against.

Edit: Because you edited your argument.



well, we're talking about a BS that can apply no damage to a t3d, so something with long range weaps, no web, no missiles, no drones... why would anyone go solo in something like that

a frig would be just as capable at pinning down such a bs


Agree on all points but I think the rise of T3Ds in the current meta does hurt solo BS to a greater extent than T2 Frigs. The huge resist profiles, excellent active tanks and low sigs/solid speeds pose a far greater threat to a solo BS pilot than any T1 or T2 frig ever could.
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2015-07-29 14:10:12 UTC
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Switch Savage wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Switch Savage wrote:
One legit concern for the solo BS pilot that only sports one heavy neut, is cap injected active tanked T3D. I cant think of a single BS in the game bar a Vindicator that could kill my standard Svipul fit once i have a tight orbit. Even in a straight T2 fit with crystals/links/pill its got 37 sig and a 600+ dps tank as well as the AB/Nos.

That is an absolute nightmare to shake off in a BS if you only have one neut.


The links and sig reduction would be cause of concern.. but i mean what can really kill a linked, HG crystal, BP'd anything without a blob? Id consider fighting you in my application fit typhoon.. but id be more confident in my FI phoon. But thats cause i gets 2 neuts :)

Ive killed linked stuff before, but you throw in the best of the best at a fit, its going to be monsterous regardless of what it is. Hell i see dead terrorist bads fly around in linked breachers all the time. Although i do enjoy shooting their links when they are in the middle of a fight.

Using the holy grail of cancer fits doesnt mean BS are weak either. No offense ofc. But you are probably using svipul because its still broken and continues to scale exceedingly well with links, crystals, drugs.


I was merely pointing out a new concern for the solo BS pilot who rely on just one Heavy neut. I also never said BS were weak as a result of this I was simply pointing out an issue they face in the current meta.

Only just started flying Svipuls at the start of this month and have been enjoying it thus far (hard not to with how OP they are).


Fair enough. However, its not only a solo BS issue. That same svipul would also ruin most BC, cruisers, destroyers and other frigs/t3ds in solo scenarios as well.


Agreed my point being its another thing to ensure your BS is capable of dealing with when undocking with no support. Even in the best case scenario they can be tricky blighters to drop quickly if they are fit and flown well. Imo the addition of them into the meta poses one of the greatest threats to solo BS pvp thus far in New Eden.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2015-07-29 14:36:16 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
Switch Savage wrote:
When you factor in a small cap boosters reload time as well as a NOS it is more than reasonable to say that a T3D can pin a BS with only one heavy neut for a very long time. Like you say it depends entirely on the amount of damage you are taking and thus the battleship you are up against.

Edit: Because you edited your argument.



well, we're talking about a BS that can apply no damage to a t3d, so something with long range weaps, no web, no missiles, no drones... why would anyone go solo in something like that

a frig would be just as capable at pinning down such a bs


Agree on all points but I think the rise of T3Ds in the current meta does hurt solo BS to a greater extent than T2 Frigs. The huge resist profiles, excellent active tanks and low sigs/solid speeds pose a far greater threat to a solo BS pilot than any T1 or T2 frig ever could.



ah well, T3Ds meta is hurting everything really, it completely obliterated any sense in undocking a AF, they can put the hurt on a lot of cruisers, they can murder frig gangs without breaking a sweat, t1 dessies are the stuff of ancient myths by now

I would actually argue BS is the class less hurt next to BCs... which are actually pretty great at killing t3ds
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2015-07-29 14:43:58 UTC
Hah I have to agree there i guess, that's quite a funny way to look at it.