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wildfire2555
B.A.S.E.D
The Initiative.
#1 - 2011-12-08 07:11:11 UTC
Hi, just moved to null sec and realized I can turn a hefty profit running hordes in a carrier, only problem, short the isk for the carrier skill book and carrier itself, everything else is already trained, I am asking for 3 weeks to pay back the loan, investment will return a 200 mill profit,
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#2 - 2011-12-08 08:33:13 UTC
You should not fly a carrier, to your own benefit and the benefit of others around you. This is not a troll, im seriously trying to help you with this advice.
wildfire2555
B.A.S.E.D
The Initiative.
#3 - 2011-12-08 08:50:07 UTC
This is a forum alt, if your judging my character age and such, main character started in summer of 06.
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#4 - 2011-12-08 09:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Gatan Hahran
I was only judging the fact that you wanna raise a 1.3b loan to buy the skill book and the carrier you wanna fly, didnt care about your char age or anything else.
I guess it fits the "dont fly what you cant afford to lose" edge.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-12-08 10:08:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Gatan Hahran wrote:
You should not fly a carrier, to your own benefit and the benefit of others around you. This is not a troll, im seriously trying to help you with this advice.

I hate people like you.

People have no problems with 1.5-2b ISK ratting Tengus being lost to hostiles, but at every stupid carrier loss finger-pointing and drama begins.

When I lived in Fountain I had the choice between ratting in my Archon or my Paladin.

Archon:
850m ISK ship, full insurable
350m ISK fitting
200m ISK drones (fighters can be probed down even if they didn't make it back to the ship in time)

always aligned to station/POS


Paladin:
650m ISK ship, not insurable
300m ISK rigs
800m ISK LAR
180m ISK Heat Sinks
200m ISK Tracking Computer (or Webifier)
50m ISK Afterburner

orbiting rats at 10km with AB on.


For some reason people were way more happy with me using the Paladin as opposed to the Archon.
I got higher ISK/h in the Marauder, so i was generally fine with that, but it doesn't make any sense.
wildfire2555
B.A.S.E.D
The Initiative.
#6 - 2011-12-08 10:15:13 UTC
I'm able to fly one of those as well, again it's just the isk to get one I have the issue obtaining. And also paliden is much more expensive to fit and run right than a carrier.
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#7 - 2011-12-08 10:17:12 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Gatan Hahran wrote:
You should not fly a carrier, to your own benefit and the benefit of others around you. This is not a troll, im seriously trying to help you with this advice.

I hate people like you.

People have no problems with 1.5-2b ISK ratting Tengus being lost to hostiles, but at every stupid carrier loss finger-pointing and drama begins.

When I lived in Fountain I had the choice between ratting in my Archon or my Paladin.

Archon:
850m ISK ship, full insurable
350m ISK fitting
200m ISK drones (fighters can be probed down even if they didn't make it back to the ship in time)

always aligned to station/POS


Paladin:
650m ISK ship, not insurable
300m ISK rigs
800m ISK LAR
180m ISK Heat Sinks
200m ISK Tracking Computer (or Webifier)
50m ISK Afterburner

orbiting rats at 10km with AB on.


For some reason people were way more happy with me using the Paladin as opposed to the Archon.
I got higher ISK/h in the Marauder, so i was generally fine with that, but it doesn't make any sense.


Not sure if u are trolling, but just in case you are serious:
you raised 1.4b isk in MD to buy a carrier for ratting?
i think you misunderstood my point, there is nothing wrong with flying expensive ships in low or nullsec, it just becomes a problem when you have to loan the money for it from others...
wildfire2555
B.A.S.E.D
The Initiative.
#8 - 2011-12-08 10:20:42 UTC
Similar to a startup loan for a bussiness, only instead of building things, my business is mooing things, looting they're lifeless wrecks.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-12-08 10:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Gatan Hahran wrote:
i think you misunderstood my point, there is nothing wrong with flying expensive ships in low or nullsec, it just becomes a problem when you have to loan the money for it from others...

I probably did.

Many people have an (imo) irrational dislike for lossmails of ratting capitals on their killboards. I thought you were one of them.

Quote:
You should not fly a carrier, to your own benefit and the benefit of others around you.


Usually people are able to use carriers for ratting way before they can use them in stratops, as you don't need jump skills for ratting, no need for Energy Transfers, no need for Remote Reps, no need for Triage, some ratters even use 2 LARs instead of a Capital Armor Repairer....

I read your statement as "you probably don't have the skills to fly a carrier properly anyways and using it for ratting will just get yourself and anybody near you hotdropped."
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer
#10 - 2011-12-08 10:24:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Gatan Hahran
wildfire2555 wrote:
Similar to a startup loan for a bussiness, only instead of building things, my business is mooing things, looting they're lifeless wrecks.


The difference is that the risk of a total loss is very very high in this case, that was the whole point of my warning..


Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Gatan Hahran wrote:
i think you misunderstood my point, there is nothing wrong with flying expensive ships in low or nullsec, it just becomes a problem when you have to loan the money for it from others...

I probably did.

Many people have an (imo) irrational dislike for lossmails of ratting capoitals on their killboards. I thought you were one of them.

Quote:
You should not fly a carrier, to your own benefit and the benefit of others around you.


Yeah i dont really care if its about a carrier or any other ship, i wrote carrier because the OP wants to use a carrier, so it would have not make sense to write "nightmare" or "paladin" in my post.
The involvement of low/nullsec makes it a very risky investment, it does not matter which kind of ship is used for that 1.3b isk.
wildfire2555
B.A.S.E.D
The Initiative.
#11 - 2011-12-08 10:57:16 UTC
When it comes to flying it well I've got the triage skill, I have the capital armour repair skill, and I have capital remote armor repair skill, as well as the fighter drone skills all trained to 4. I'm in a low traveled back water system that's cyno jammed, not gonna get hot dropped, and I'll be able to insure the carrier as well. Again just need the start up loan to get me into the ship itself. If need be I'm willing to make daily or weekly payments and paying over 10% return on the isk barrowed, the issue is running the current sites I'm in right now it will take well over a month to make the isk for the ship and carrier skill.
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Disaster Strikes
#12 - 2011-12-08 14:17:34 UTC
If you have 100% collateral, the money's yours.

Damn nature, you scary!
wildfire2555
B.A.S.E.D
The Initiative.
#13 - 2011-12-08 14:55:42 UTC
If I had the colateral I'd sell it, all I have are some bpo's that maybe come to about 500 mill, all the ammo,frigs, desi's, haulers and a few cruiser.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#14 - 2011-12-08 16:16:22 UTC
Hit your friends up. Less drama that way. Also figure out how long it'd take to pay back the loan.
shangar
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#15 - 2011-12-13 22:03:00 UTC
why dont you do incursions in high sec and you will have 1,5bill isk in one week.