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[CVA] Logs of Imperials & SOCT at Sarum Prime
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Kahar Dex
Imperial Dreams
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#1 - 2015-07-25 21:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahar Dex
The Empress undocked in the Avatar Class Titan, EF Seraph, from the Emperor Family Academy in Amarr to Sarum Prime under escort from 4 Aeon Super Carriers and 2 Revelation Dreadnaughts.

The occasion was to commemorate the Drifter Armada Battleship invasion where Amarr loyalist capsuleers together with allies, vanquished the invaders in the name of Amarr.

Below, you will find logs of what transpired further.


Quote:

[19:54:19] Jamyl Sarum I > Pilots loyal to the Amarr Empire, we come together at this location today, observed by the watchful eyes of God, not to celebrate a victory for his chosen children, not to mark an anniversary, but to remember.
[19:54:44] Jamyl Sarum I > To remember, that a little over seven years ago the wreckage scattered before your eyes still burned, was still fresh.
[19:55:08] Jamyl Sarum I > The aftermath of a battle that changed the course of history for the Empire and her citizens, the lord’s chosen children, charged with enlightening those who have not yet found salvation.
[19:55:42] Jamyl Sarum I > July 10th, YC110 was a day on which the Empire delivered a decisive message. A message that echoed through every cloister, hall, and atrium of New Eden in one voice. His voice.
[19:56:03] Jamyl Sarum I > The message was absolute. His will shall be obeyed. His bidding shall be done, and his might shall be expressed through the actions of his chosen people. The Amarr.
[19:56:33] Jamyl Sarum I > Those who are enlightened shall ascend. Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation.
[19:57:00] Jamyl Sarum I > Those who oppose the will of God, those who burn the olive branch extended to them by the Lord, those who do not seek enlightenment, shall be condemned.
[19:57:14] Jamyl Sarum I > They shall be punished, and shall drown in their own blood.
[19:57:31] Jamyl Sarum I > Seven years ago we witnessed the Lord’s hand at work, when those who chose to defy His will were punished for their indiscretions.
[19:58:04] Jamyl Sarum I > The Lord spoke, and blasted a hole so large in their racial memory that they will not dare again to tread foot on these hallowed grounds.
[19:58:21] Jamyl Sarum I > We continue to protect our borders from the unjustified aggression from the Republic, as their warmongering leader continues to beat the drums of war.
[19:58:51] Jamyl Sarum I > We continue to provide for our people, God’s chosen, as those who attempt to defy the Lord continue to fail in their attacks on our way of life.
[19:59:36] Jamyl Sarum I > Today however, we face a new threat. A threat far greater than the foolish aspirations of a lesser race who remain unwilling to accept their true place as servants of His will.
[20:00:04] Jamyl Sarum I > A threat not created of the Lord’s work. An abomination that reared its head as one of our oldest and most valued capsuleer loyalist organizations, Curatores Veritatis Alliance, celebrated while at ease from combat duty.

His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex
Kahar Dex
Imperial Dreams
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#2 - 2015-07-25 21:12:52 UTC
Quote:

[20:00:38] Jamyl Sarum I > While we do not yet understand the motives of this force, their intentions, or their will, the Drifters must be regarded as a threat, and the Empire must ensure that her borders remain secure.
[20:01:59] Jamyl Sarum I > The presence of so many of our finest loyalists here is a sight to behold. A sight that fills the hearts and minds of the people of the Lord’s domain with hope.
[20:02:22] Jamyl Sarum I > For your support, the Empire remains eternally grateful.
[20:02:41] Jamyl Sarum I > Together we will show those who attempt to defy His will that the Wrath of God is immense. His Justice is swift and decisive. His tolerance is limited.
[20:02:58] Jamyl Sarum I > Through our hardship, through our struggle, and through the tests that the Lord places before us we will persevere, and we will find our salvation.
[20:03:17] Jamyl Sarum I > Together, we will face this threat as a solid wall. Unwavering. Unswaying. Resolute. Immovable and unshakable. Through our defense of our hallowed ground this threat will find no breach.
[20:03:36] Jamyl Sarum I > We will embrace this threat with faith as our fire. With our belief in the word of God we will consume it, burning away the evil until only we shall remain.
[20:03:47] Jamyl Sarum I > A god’s chosen our faith will be our weapon, for within it lies the path to salvation.
[20:03:57] Jamyl Sarum I > Through our actions His will shall be enforced. He shall judge the unworthy, purge the unclean, and redeem the pure.
[20:04:15] Jamyl Sarum I > AMARR VICTOR!
[20:05:05] Jamyl Sarum I > Mentor Raish? What is your purpose here?
[20:05:55] Peviad Vamai > We are investigating potential existential threats under the terms of the ninth condicil to the Yulai Convention.
[20:06:28] Jamyl Sarum I > Under whose authority do you operate?
[20:06:30] Peviad Vamai > Our activities are lawful and essential.
[20:07:19] Peviad Vamai > I repeat the ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention authorizes investigation of potential existential threats.
[20:07:32] Hassin Khara > ATTENTION SOCIETY OF CONSCIOUS THOUGHT VESSEL - CEASE AND DESIST WITH ALL SCANNING ACTIVITY IMMEDIATELY AND RETREAT TO SAFE DISTANCE OF 100 KILOMETRES FROM [EF] SERAPH
[20:09:30] Jamyl Sarum I > Raish. Respond Immediately. WHAT ARE YOUR INTENTIONS?
[20:10:00] Peviad Vamai > Their communications have ceased, Empress.
[20:10:08] Hassin Khara > ATTENTION SOCIETY OF CONSCIOUS THOUGHT VESSEL - REPEAT - CEASE AND DESIST WITH ALL SCANNING ACTIVITY IMMEDIATELY AND RETREAT TO SAFE DISTANCE OF 100 KILOMETRES FROM [EF] SERAPH
[20:10:51] Matshi Raish > Empress Jamyl,I say in public that our presence and actions here are lawful under the terms of the ninth codicil to the Yulai Convention.
[20:11:13] Hassin Khara > ATTENTION ALL AMARR NAVY AND LOYALIST VESSELS - STAND TO - WEAPONS READY
[20:12:03] Hassin Khara > MENTOR RAISH - CEASE AND DESIST SCANNING, AND RETREAT TO SAFE DISTANCE - ONE ZERO ZERO KILOMETERS. AKNOWLEDGE IMMEDIATELY.
[20:13:17] Matshi Raish > Very well, we have learned what we needed to learn.
[20:13:37] Jamyl Sarum I > Mentor Raish, you leave me no choice.
[20:13:50] Jamyl Sarum I > Amarr Navy escort, engage at will.
[20:15:02] Hassin Khara > ALL IMPERIAL AND LOYALIST VESSELS, WEAPONS FREE, PRIMARY TARGET IS [SCT] ENLIGHTENMENT - MATSHI RAISH - GNOSIS CLASS
[color=green](Matshi Raish of the Society of Consious Thought has his Gnosis destroyed at this point)[/color]
[20:17:27] Jamyl Sarum I > Commander Vamai - Do you have full transcript and readout of comms from Mentor Raish?
[20:18:49] Peviad Vamai > Yes, my Empress, all relayed communications have been sent to Throne Worlds Fleet HQ for analysis.
[20:18:55] Jamyl Sarum I > Very well - Report to Grand Admiral Sundara on return to Safizon for full debriefing.
[20:19:11] Peviad Vamai > By your will.
[20:19:13] Jamyl Sarum I > I'd like to know his intentions.
[20:20:10] Jamyl Sarum I > The Empire will not tolerate threats to our security, and will continue to protect our borders to our full capability.

His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex
Sahriah BloodStone
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#3 - 2015-07-26 00:19:10 UTC
I was present at the entire event. I must say that I find it...unsettling...that after acknowledging and agreeing to cease and desist the Gnosis vessel piloted by Matshi Raish was destroyed regardless, and as it was retreating no less.

I am curious as to if his claim that he was operating legally is legitimate. If only CONCORD was doing its job and released the Yulai convention documents, we would know.

As far as I am aware, scanning a vessel is a common and harmless practice. Are there extraneous circumstances that led the Amarr to believe their leader was in danger? Even if so, with a Titan and numerous capitals present, the Gnosis posed no threat, and instead of taking the vessel and pilot into custody, it was decided to destroy him instead, not only committing a possible murder, but putting his cloned self out of your reach...smart.

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-07-26 02:22:43 UTC
As I've said in previous threads, The Empress does not answer to any of us. If you have questions, petition CONCORD.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Lord Kailethre
Tengoo Uninstallation Service
#5 - 2015-07-26 02:34:26 UTC
Whose bright idea was it to take a Gnosis up against a supercapital fleet?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#6 - 2015-07-26 03:20:06 UTC
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Whose bright idea was it to take a Gnosis up against a supercapital fleet?

Matshi Raish's, obviously.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#7 - 2015-07-26 03:22:02 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Lord Kailethre wrote:
Whose bright idea was it to take a Gnosis up against a supercapital fleet?

Matshi Raish's, obviously.


The supercaps never touched him. It was the eagerly obedient firing squad that got him.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#8 - 2015-07-26 03:35:03 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
As I've said in previous threads, The Empress does not answer to any of us. If you have questions, petition CONCORD.


I'm afraid the usual attempts at making questionable actions disappear by simply denying people the right to question them doesn't work in international and neutral fora. Questioning and discussing such things is usually considered the norm among civilized people. I'm sure you'll find yourselves rising to such capacities given another few hundred years of contact with us.

Long story short, even if you're not capable of grasping such concepts, even your leaders of state can turn out to be flawed creatures with nasty secrets that wouldn't sit well with New Eden at large.

Or even you.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-07-26 09:51:53 UTC
Someone please clear up the following for me:

CONCORD governs interactions between capsuleers to keep us in check

Jamyl is a capsuleer

Jamyl ordered the destruction (nice way to keep her own hands clean here) of a non-criminal capsuleer vessel.

This is clearly in contravention of the usual DED criminal activities. Were the bodyguards who fired upon the non-criminal vessel treated with the usual response by CONCORD?

If not why?, If so then the one who commanded the destruction of the vessel is also equally culpable.

Actions such as this and the attitude of the 'Empress' (lesser race indeed...) make me wonder whether when any Drifter invasion comes I should bloody well give them a hand.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2015-07-26 10:11:04 UTC
Jamyl Sarum is de facto comparable to a state military capsuleer (and not a freelance one), and a chief of state.

Sovereign authorities have the precedence over who is to be considered free to shoot at on their territory, ultimately. The exact same process happened in Colelie and during Operation Highlander.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#11 - 2015-07-26 14:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
If not why?


Without detailed economic analysis and opening up CONCORD's books, because somewhere between 25 and 27% of CONCORD's funding likely comes from the Amarr Empire. They're not going to actually open up on any military from any of the Signatories. Hell, the Caldari shot down one of their battleships and their response was to advise people maybe they shouldn't go poke at the titan.

CONCORD is trying very much to be the power that dictates terms of engagement to other powers... but when the Empires stare back at them without blinking, CONCORD and the DED know who pays their salaries.

Jamyl Sarum could've personally hopped into a Punisher and flown around having her minions kill all non-Amarr vessels so she could pod them with her own small lasers, strapped all the biomass to her bow plates, and danced around merrily lighting the corpses on fire one by one, and CONCORD would have decided there was nothing wrong with that.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#12 - 2015-07-26 14:54:20 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
CONCORD and the DED know who pays their salaries.
Yes, but I think you may not.
Quote:
The only hold the empires have had on CONCORD, that of financial support, is waning day by day as the revenues garnered through customs, confiscation of illegal goods, selling licenses, and more, are steadily increasing.
Source (or one of them)

Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation

Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate
Arrendis
TK Corp
#13 - 2015-07-26 15:15:11 UTC
Waning. Not gone. Don't fool yourself into thinking the massive military infrastructure CONCORD has can actually be maintained by a few tariffs and traffic tickets.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#14 - 2015-07-26 16:47:30 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Someone please clear up the following for me:

CONCORD governs interactions between capsuleers to keep us in check

Jamyl is a capsuleer

Jamyl ordered the destruction (nice way to keep her own hands clean here) of a non-criminal capsuleer vessel.

This is clearly in contravention of the usual DED criminal activities. Were the bodyguards who fired upon the non-criminal vessel treated with the usual response by CONCORD?

If not why?, If so then the one who commanded the destruction of the vessel is also equally culpable.

Actions such as this and the attitude of the 'Empress' (lesser race indeed...) make me wonder whether when any Drifter invasion comes I should bloody well give them a hand.

CONCORD won't shoot their paycheck in the head for a bit of justice.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-07-26 16:52:58 UTC
Without the correct oversight, any large-scale organisation will eventually, inevitably grow more concerned with sustaining itself than its original purpose.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#16 - 2015-07-26 17:20:37 UTC
I am more interested in parsing the theological content of the Empress's statements.

I was most drawn to the following (emphasis added):
[19:59:36] Jamyl Sarum I > Today however, we face a new threat. A threat far greater than the foolish aspirations of a lesser race who remain unwilling to accept their true place as servants of His will.

Note well: the Empress has officially called the Minmatar a lesser race. Interesting.

Overall, the message was less wayward and liberal than I have come to expect from the present day Empire. Indeed, I was pleased to find an allusion to one of my favorite Scriptures (emphasis added):
[19:57:14] Jamyl Sarum I > They shall be punished, and shall drown in their own blood.

I did, however, note one theological error:
[19:56:33] Jamyl Sarum I > Those who are enlightened shall ascend. Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation.

In this statement, the Empress makes too easy and perhaps too broadly available the cleansing of sins and salvation, leaving out the importance of blood sacrifice and not excluding the Minmatar.

Still, it could have been worse. Amen. Amarr Victor.
The Golden Serpent
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#17 - 2015-07-30 10:01:26 UTC  |  Edited by: The Golden Serpent
First of all the Empress does not make mistakes you should not second guess her or try to correct her it is extremely bad and heretical.

Secondly any race besides Amarr by religion is lesser in the eyes of God which are the only eyes that count.

Someone who is Minmatar will probably not convert but they can if they want to and they are no longer lesser, but they still must find their place in God's Kingdom, which means obeying their betters and working through the path God gives them.

-:¦:-•:'":•.-:¦:-•* K H A N I D •-:¦:-•:''''*:•-:¦:-
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#18 - 2015-07-30 17:45:46 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Someone please clear up the following for me:

CONCORD governs interactions between capsuleers to keep us in check

Jamyl is a capsuleer

Jamyl ordered the destruction (nice way to keep her own hands clean here) of a non-criminal capsuleer vessel.

This is clearly in contravention of the usual DED criminal activities. Were the bodyguards who fired upon the non-criminal vessel treated with the usual response by CONCORD?

If not why?, If so then the one who commanded the destruction of the vessel is also equally culpable.

Actions such as this and the attitude of the 'Empress' (lesser race indeed...) make me wonder whether when any Drifter invasion comes I should bloody well give them a hand.


Unfortunately in this case, the navy personnel in attendance appear to have declared Raish's vessel 'suspect' prior to the mob attacking him.
This act negated the standard CONCORD threat response.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-07-31 22:54:59 UTC
Something to consider here is what angle is SOCT playing? Obviously the jovians are at odds with the amarr, and the basic understanding about the sleepers (and subsequently the drifters), is that they're an offshoot race of the Jovians.

We are still in the dark about Caroline's Star. For all we know, there could be a coup or civil war going on in jove space, and it's likely we'll see a full-scale war between the drifters and the Amarr. Jamyl IS hiding something, that much is not in dispute. We have to remember that her interests are vested in the Amarr Empire, and NOT the larger interstellar community.

Despite my positive relations with the Empire and the Kingdom, i am appalled at this incident. I can certainly understand such a high-level procession being paranoid about security, and to be fair they DID give multiple warnings. However, it is NOT in the nature of the jove to outright lie in such a public event, and it MUST be assumed that the legality of his actions were true in the absence of any relevant data from Concord, since logically he would not have attempted such a risky public action without the law behind him. Jamyl obviously will not be prosecuted nor should any charges be brought against her, but the hostile response to a simple scan broadcasts her guilt louder than anything she could have said in local.