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What was so important to hide in order to violate a Yulai codicil?

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#141 - 2015-07-29 11:45:00 UTC
Jili Tonari wrote:
The Empress got no problem violating the rights and privacy of other people on a daily basis. But someone does it to her and she turns the slave hounds on them.

So typical.



You're right that there are some Holders who feel that Jamyl's Great Emancipation violated their rights to keep slaves, but I don't see what this has to do with the subject at hand?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#142 - 2015-07-29 11:51:17 UTC
I used to have a problem with the Amarrian religion in general. Nowadays, I don't have a problem with you worshiping your God. I have a problem with the fact that you mistakenly believe your belief gives you the right or the obligation to bother others with it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#143 - 2015-07-29 12:26:58 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Jili Tonari wrote:
The Empress got no problem violating the rights and privacy of other people on a daily basis. But someone does it to her and she turns the slave hounds on them.

So typical.



You're right that there are some Holders who feel that Jamyl's Great Emancipation violated their rights to keep slaves, but I don't see what this has to do with the subject at hand?



Wow, look the old, bald guy being all clever. How's that workin out for ya?

What dirt you hidin Blake? What if I ripped it out of the shadows to let it dance here in the light? You gonna turn loose the Hounds like Empress Twatwaffle?

Oh, but it's ok when you do this kinda stuff to your slaves, because "God" wrote a blank check that means you can engage in all kinds of f*ckery. Just as long as no one does it to you, 'cause you god an edict from above.

The wheel turns and turns again old man. And I got time on my side.

“Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.”

Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
#144 - 2015-07-29 12:31:23 UTC
Most notably absent from this on-going discussion is Elder Mentor Raish, himself.

He is of Amarr origin and may have followed the practice (or lack of practice) of maintaining a medical clone.

Has anyone seen or heard from him after his ship and pod were destroyed?
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#145 - 2015-07-29 14:13:48 UTC
Very inappropriate questions you ask Mrs Farel.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2015-07-29 14:46:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Sinjin Mokk
Feu dAstres wrote:
Most notably absent from this on-going discussion is Elder Mentor Raish, himself.

He is of Amarr origin and may have followed the practice (or lack of practice) of maintaining a medical clone.

Has anyone seen or heard from him after his ship and pod were destroyed?



I'm fairly certain we ended his existence.

If not, he's probably found a nice hole somewhere to hide in for the next few centuries.

Still, I suppose some verification wouldn't be a bad idea. Kōgō Heika will probably want to have a few words with him if he's still drawing breath.


*Edit: *Apologies, I mean to say, Her Majesty the Empress, I'm trying to learn some local Khaldari dialects.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp
#147 - 2015-07-29 16:51:43 UTC
I suppose the public relations personnel of Hátign Henni are a bit busy these days.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#148 - 2015-07-29 17:22:31 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:

I'm fairly certain we ended his existence.


I doubt he's any more mortal than you or I, capsuleer.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#149 - 2015-07-29 20:02:52 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Very inappropriate questions you ask Mrs Farel.


That is possible.

Always easy to tell with detachement after though... At least it initiated some interesting discussions.

Everyone has my apologies in any case. ..
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#150 - 2015-07-29 21:37:47 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Very inappropriate questions you ask Mrs Farel.


That is possible.

Always easy to tell with detachement after though... At least it initiated some interesting discussions.

Everyone has my apologies in any case. ..

Indeed, gossip do initiat "interesting" discussions.

Look at that holder, did you hear about his wife? Oh, have you heared about archbishop's son, oh my. And our ni-kunni neighbors moving furniture all night every night, why oh why sister?
Your discussion is the same type of interesting.

I expected better from you Mrs Farel or if not better then at least some class, extremely disappointing.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#151 - 2015-07-29 23:15:33 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Look at that holder, did you hear about his wife? Oh, have you heared about archbishop's son, oh my. And our ni-kunni neighbors moving furniture all night every night, why oh why sister?
Your discussion is the same type of interesting.


I daresay there is a difference between titillating whispers about someone's personal life, and attempting to understand the motivations behind a somewhat controversial and violent decision by the one absolute ruler in Highsec, the one person among the four Empires that can unilaterally decide to start a war.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#152 - 2015-07-30 06:52:25 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Very inappropriate questions you ask Mrs Farel.


That is possible.

Always easy to tell with detachement after though... At least it initiated some interesting discussions.

Everyone has my apologies in any case. ..

Indeed, gossip do initiat "interesting" discussions.

Look at that holder, did you hear about his wife? Oh, have you heared about archbishop's son, oh my. And our ni-kunni neighbors moving furniture all night every night, why oh why sister?
Your discussion is the same type of interesting.

I expected better from you Mrs Farel or if not better then at least some class, extremely disappointing.


Gossip ? On international geopolitics ?
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2015-07-30 06:58:51 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:

I'm fairly certain we ended his existence.


I doubt he's any less mortal than you or I, capsuleer.


Fixed that for you....
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#154 - 2015-07-30 15:48:20 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Very inappropriate questions you ask Mrs Farel.


That is possible.

Always easy to tell with detachement after though... At least it initiated some interesting discussions.

Everyone has my apologies in any case. ..

Indeed, gossip do initiat "interesting" discussions.

Look at that holder, did you hear about his wife? Oh, have you heared about archbishop's son, oh my. And our ni-kunni neighbors moving furniture all night every night, why oh why sister?
Your discussion is the same type of interesting.

I expected better from you Mrs Farel or if not better then at least some class, extremely disappointing.


And your ad hominem is the same drivel as everyone else's.
Do not listen to such closed minds Lyn.

I am told that in the past, Emperors have been removed from office.
If this is the case, then it is possible that they can be wrong, counter to some of the more virulent claims on this thread.
It is right to question one's leaders when they begin to act in a manner that is inconsistent with their stated goals, or when their actions become erratic.
It is prudent to question them should their actions be deemed counter to the greater good of those they lead.

However much the zealots may wish it otherwise, if an emperor or empress can be removed from office, they can be wrong.
if they can be wrong, and they are the voice of 'god'. then god can be wrong.

given that logic, I can understand their zeal and their claims that no matter the evidence to the contrary, their leader must, always, be right.
it's not correct, by any stretch, but I can understand why they would want to believe it.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#155 - 2015-07-30 18:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
I think you are taking it a bit too literally...

Anyway, It is not my place to put the empress mandate into question, as in, casting doubts or contesting. I can merely ask questions... Is it misplaced curiosity ? Time will tell...

As much as it seems to disappoint some, let is not fall into pure obscurantism...

I am now well aware of how accusatory the title of that thread can be, and how confused I... Might have found myself in when all if this happened.
Hevaima Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#156 - 2015-07-31 00:06:08 UTC
Perhaps a better question to ask oneself might be: "If I do not have a seat on the Privy Council does the Empress have any obligation to answer my questions?"
Arrendis
TK Corp
#157 - 2015-07-31 00:46:52 UTC
Hevaima Gesakaarin wrote:
Perhaps a better question to ask oneself might be: "If I do not have a seat on the Privy Council does the Empress have any obligation to answer my questions?"


Because seeking to understand the motivations of the 4th-largest power in space is irresponsible, right?
Hevaima Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#158 - 2015-07-31 02:26:44 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Hevaima Gesakaarin wrote:
Perhaps a better question to ask oneself might be: "If I do not have a seat on the Privy Council does the Empress have any obligation to answer my questions?"


Because seeking to understand the motivations of the 4th-largest power in space is irresponsible, right?


I would say attributing motivations to Her Imperial Majesty solely on the basis of conjecture as irresponsible, yes.

Likely as irresponsible as a member of the Amarrian faith to directly question in public an action of their Empress and demand that God's representative be held accountable to them. Then again I doubt Ms. Farel places much personal value in the Codes of Demeanour as outlined in the Scriptures or she would already know that the rule of the Empress is Benign and Righteous without need for her to ask questions of why for any action Her Imperial Majesty decides to undertake. The only outcome to be had in doing so is to instigate a discussion in which the actions of the Empress are cast into aspersion and spurious conjecture which I can only assume was Ms. Farel's intention.

Arrendis
TK Corp
#159 - 2015-07-31 03:53:48 UTC
Hevaima Gesakaarin wrote:
Likely as irresponsible as a member of the Amarrian faith to directly question in public an action of their Empress and demand that God's representative be held accountable to them. Then again I doubt Ms. Farel places much personal value in the Codes of Demeanour as outlined in the Scriptures or she would already know that the rule of the Empress is Benign and Righteous without need for her to ask questions of why for any action Her Imperial Majesty decides to undertake. The only outcome to be had in doing so is to instigate a discussion in which the actions of the Empress are cast into aspersion and spurious conjecture which I can only assume was Ms. Farel's intention.


Wow, poorly ham-fist your attempts at brow-beating and intimidation much?
Hevaima Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#160 - 2015-07-31 04:34:35 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Hevaima Gesakaarin wrote:
Likely as irresponsible as a member of the Amarrian faith to directly question in public an action of their Empress and demand that God's representative be held accountable to them. Then again I doubt Ms. Farel places much personal value in the Codes of Demeanour as outlined in the Scriptures or she would already know that the rule of the Empress is Benign and Righteous without need for her to ask questions of why for any action Her Imperial Majesty decides to undertake. The only outcome to be had in doing so is to instigate a discussion in which the actions of the Empress are cast into aspersion and spurious conjecture which I can only assume was Ms. Farel's intention.


Wow, poorly ham-fist your attempts at brow-beating and intimidation much?


I believe we differ greatly in what constitutes intimidation, Ms. Arrendis. What I expressed was a frank opinion. I admit, they might even be perceived to be harsh, but untempered words alone are not tacit or implied coercion enough for intimidation in my mind.