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What was so important to hide in order to violate a Yulai codicil?

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#121 - 2015-07-27 00:17:57 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
An Entosis Link is a weapon. It gathers knowledge.

Knowledge is a more powerful weapon than any other.

I'm not sure why this is a point of discussion. Of course Her Imperial Majesty has secrets that she doesn't want to be made public. Doesn't every ruler?


And she's got the guns to keep those secrets. Pity she didn't have a grasp of timing...
Arrendis
TK Corp
#122 - 2015-07-27 00:22:30 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Can I have all of IKAME's POS passwords? No one should be denied knowledge after all...


To be fair, our default POS password is so much an open secret, it's a common joke among the swarm.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#123 - 2015-07-27 00:24:21 UTC
Think I still know it..... I'd have to think about it.
Ginia Itonula
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#124 - 2015-07-27 05:19:23 UTC
The False Empress should be afforded no special privileges to avoid being on the receiving end of an Entosis Link. As far as I see it, she deserves no more protection from the Amarr Navy than the captain of a freighter loaded with exotic dancers; in fact, I might even argue that she deserves less, as the exotic dancers would produce much more happiness throughout the Empire.

She clearly has something to hide, and the clear disregard for the importance of investigating existential threats just goes to show that she is in fact herself an existential threat and should be dealt with. Fortunately, Maximillian Singularity had the foresight to identify her as such before this incident, and she will be removed soon enough.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#125 - 2015-07-27 06:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
And neither should someone receive special treatment because they are in a Jove supported entity and use an offensive-aggressive weapon on Her Majesty's ship, or any ship from anyone. And, in contrast to what you demand, Her Majesty granted him the benefit of a doubt until this individual ambiguously revealed the purpose of his attack.
On a kind of unrelated note: I find it disconcerting that you think prostitution creates more happiness than the workings of the Empress. Only a very small circle of select few people can afford and "enjoy" prostitution, and most of the empires' (to clarify that: not the Amarr Empire's but all empires', big 4 and beyond.) prostitutes work under inhumane conditions. Very intriguing insight into Max' followers' minds indeed.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#126 - 2015-07-27 06:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
As a minor note, my esteemed alliance-mate said exotic dancers, not prostitutes. While I will not claim there is no overlap in the two groups, an exotic dancer is not automatically a prostitute, and does not necessarily work under the same conditions. That said, I don't really think the dancers give more happiness, considering the sheer number of people who find happiness in having enough structure and order in their lives that they need not make any choices for themselves.

And before any member of the Imperium (note: I do not refer to the Amarr Empire with this) thinks to claim our membership is immune to this tendency, I will say simply that if you have not heard the words, 'Don't think for yourselves, just do what you're told' from either me, a fleet commander, any number of members of senior leadership, or directly from the Mittani over our commsystem, you are still very new indeed.

That said, I encourage you all to think for yourselves, except for when it's time to shut up and soldier.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#127 - 2015-07-27 07:20:05 UTC
Something something goons capable of cognition grr etc.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#128 - 2015-07-27 07:31:25 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Something something goons capable of cognition grr etc.


And patience! Been sitting in bos for like 13 hours now, feet up and engines cooling. What's a goon gotta do to get a drink around here?

Mebbe I'll find out t'morrow.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#129 - 2015-07-27 07:44:29 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
The ACN is controlled by the Imperial Throne and Scripture, The Scope is controlled by its audience...

Re-read my statement, Farel. I never said I thought the Scope was objective - I merely remarked on the absurdity of suggesting ACN was in any way "more objective."



Oh uh sorry... fine enough...

I just felt it was an interesting point to raise...
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#130 - 2015-07-27 07:46:12 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
What's more, Scherezad-haani, I'd contend that knowledge isn't a weapon: it's a force multiplier.

That still requires the application of force, however, and no known force multiplier makes a battlecruiser a threat to a titan.


Um ... I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear! I wasn't suggesting that the SoCT battlecruiser was a direct, immediate threat to the safety of the Empress. Is that what it came across as? Are we really arguing whether someone flying up to an Empress and scanning her without requesting permission is okay? And calling the defense of her person as the Head of Empire as 'questionable'?

This is all sort of counting fishes for sharks. I don't perform neural scans or procedures on strangers without their permission, consent and willful desire - even if the individual is dangerous. It's just not moral. Why would I hold this situation to a lower standard?

Really, I'm not trying to be argumentative here - I don't get it!


The only explanation I can see is that something was considered so important that those considerations became secondary... I guess.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#131 - 2015-07-27 11:54:19 UTC
Ginia Itonula wrote:

She clearly has something to hide,


Of course she has something to hide. I have things to hide, you have things to hide, The Mittani has things to hide. Why wouldn't the leader of the largest Empire in human history have things to hide?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Ginia Itonula
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#132 - 2015-07-27 12:07:51 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
And neither should someone receive special treatment because they are in a Jove supported entity and use an offensive-aggressive weapon on Her Majesty's ship, or any ship from anyone. And, in contrast to what you demand, Her Majesty granted him the benefit of a doubt until this individual ambiguously revealed the purpose of his attack.


The poor False Empress in her Titan could not withstand the might of a single unsupported Gnosis-class battleship that she had to call in the Amarr Navy and anyone else within range to help her after said ship complied with the orders given on the scene. Seems the actions of the insane: "Do what I say or my men will open fire!" "Okay, I'll do what you say." "OPEN FIRE!"

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On a kind of unrelated note: I find it disconcerting that you think prostitution creates more happiness than the workings of the Empress. Only a very small circle of select few people can afford and "enjoy" prostitution, and most of the empires' (to clarify that: not the Amarr Empire's but all empires', big 4 and beyond.) prostitutes work under inhumane conditions. Very intriguing insight into Max' followers' minds indeed.


Well, exotic dancers are not always prostitutes. Perhaps in the places you frequent, it is so. For others, they are entertainers.
Ginia Itonula
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#133 - 2015-07-27 12:10:55 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Ginia Itonula wrote:

She clearly has something to hide,


Of course she has something to hide. I have things to hide, you have things to hide, The Mittani has things to hide. Why wouldn't the leader of the largest Empire in human history have things to hide?


Try to activate an Entosis Link on a ship piloted by you, myself or The Mittani and previous research into the device shows that nothing will happen. But one worked on a Jamyl's. Why is that?

Aren't you curious why her ship is so uniquely compatible with the use of an Entosis Link?
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#134 - 2015-07-27 16:43:34 UTC
Ginia Itonula wrote:
Rivr Luzade wrote:
And neither should someone receive special treatment because they are in a Jove supported entity and use an offensive-aggressive weapon on Her Majesty's ship, or any ship from anyone. And, in contrast to what you demand, Her Majesty granted him the benefit of a doubt until this individual ambiguously revealed the purpose of his attack.


The poor False Empress in her Titan could not withstand the might of a single unsupported Gnosis-class battleship that she had to call in the Amarr Navy and anyone else within range to help her after said ship complied with the orders given on the scene. Seems the actions of the insane: "Do what I say or my men will open fire!" "Okay, I'll do what you say." "OPEN FIRE!"



ambiguously?
he said from the start that he was there to perform an investigation.
The purpose of an investigation is to uncover information.
Prior to being fired upon, he said he had gained the information he required.

so... where's the ambiguity?

Ginia, it might be better to simply allow this one to delude himself.
His earlier arguments failed after he contradicted his own points then claimed they were irrefutable.
I see no difference in his choice of methodology here.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#135 - 2015-07-27 17:02:36 UTC
Ginia Itonula wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Ginia Itonula wrote:

She clearly has something to hide,


Of course she has something to hide. I have things to hide, you have things to hide, The Mittani has things to hide. Why wouldn't the leader of the largest Empire in human history have things to hide?


Try to activate an Entosis Link on a ship piloted by you, myself or The Mittani and previous research into the device shows that nothing will happen. But one worked on a Jamyl's. Why is that?

Aren't you curious why her ship is so uniquely compatible with the use of an Entosis Link?


I'm patient enough to wait for the present to be unwrapped at the appropriate time and not a moment before.

I have a feeling that it will be worth the wait.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#136 - 2015-07-27 17:16:13 UTC
Ginia Itonula wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Ginia Itonula wrote:

She clearly has something to hide,


Of course she has something to hide. I have things to hide, you have things to hide, The Mittani has things to hide. Why wouldn't the leader of the largest Empire in human history have things to hide?


Try to activate an Entosis Link on a ship piloted by you, myself or The Mittani and previous research into the device shows that nothing will happen. But one worked on a Jamyl's. Why is that?

Aren't you curious why her ship is so uniquely compatible with the use of an Entosis Link?


The Entosis Link appeared to be operating in a pattern similar to the Circadian Seeker's scanning system, which would seem to indicate that the Society understands the technology better than your average capsuleer does. This doesn't mean anything is special about her imperial majesty, or her imperial majesty's ship.

Still, it remains a scan.

The analogy of the security response to a squirt gun seems an inaccurate one; I'd prefer the analogy of a man with a cream pie. Sure, he's exceeding his bounds and the security detail would be right to tackle him, but it's unreasonable to assume that the cream pie is full of acid and thus shoot him dead.

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Borascus
#137 - 2015-07-27 18:38:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Now, EM Raish is displayed as an Amarrian by heritage.

Is it possible he was on deployment to SoCT and was simply returning his findings to The Empress?

If the Empress were to use this as a catalyst it would be worth the Theology Council working out how he became so devoid of faith also.
Ginia Itonula
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#138 - 2015-07-28 05:48:48 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Ginia Itonula wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Ginia Itonula wrote:

She clearly has something to hide,


Of course she has something to hide. I have things to hide, you have things to hide, The Mittani has things to hide. Why wouldn't the leader of the largest Empire in human history have things to hide?


Try to activate an Entosis Link on a ship piloted by you, myself or The Mittani and previous research into the device shows that nothing will happen. But one worked on a Jamyl's. Why is that?

Aren't you curious why her ship is so uniquely compatible with the use of an Entosis Link?


The Entosis Link appeared to be operating in a pattern similar to the Circadian Seeker's scanning system, which would seem to indicate that the Society understands the technology better than your average capsuleer does. This doesn't mean anything is special about her imperial majesty, or her imperial majesty's ship.

Still, it remains a scan.

The analogy of the security response to a squirt gun seems an inaccurate one; I'd prefer the analogy of a man with a cream pie. Sure, he's exceeding his bounds and the security detail would be right to tackle him, but it's unreasonable to assume that the cream pie is full of acid and thus shoot him dead.


Well, combine the fact that it functioned thus AND the response was so severe even after the scans were complete. Famous last words are apparently, "Very well, we have learned what we needed to learn." The question is, did they learn something from the link... or from the response? Often times, how a person reacts can tell you more about them than what any of our best scanning devices.

If a man is insane, Cargo Scan, Ship Scan, D-Scan and Probe Scanning will tell you none of it-- well, okay, sometimes you can tell if someone is insane by how they fit their ship. But still, actions sometimes speak louder than scans.
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#139 - 2015-07-28 17:31:34 UTC
Her Majesty has many secrets she needs to keep in order to not compromise the safety of the Amarr Empire. That is perfectly reasonable thing to have for any leader in the cluster. And while scanning itself is not against the CONCORD law, the Entosis link module (which was used in this case) is a specific scanning tool with not yet known all side-effects. We know very little about this module in general. The fact capsuleers cannot use the module on another ships but Mr. Raish could, confirms this in my eyes. The security of her Imperial Majesty did what they needed to do. They asked Mr. Raish first to state his intentions, then to back off and then after these warnings they opened fire. I fail to see the problem, unless Mr. Raish was really flying away after the warnings and yet he was destroyed anyway. If that is the case, Madame Empress will forgive me for calling her an action potato and reasonable compensation should be issued to Mr. Raish.

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Jili Tonari
Doomheim
#140 - 2015-07-28 19:00:48 UTC
The Empress got no problem violating the rights and privacy of other people on a daily basis. But someone does it to her and she turns the slave hounds on them.

So typical.

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