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What was so important to hide in order to violate a Yulai codicil?
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#101 - 2015-07-26 20:58:05 UTC
The Scope has long been known for its failure to understand and its hatred of Amarrian culture. I find that you get a far more objective viewpoint from ACN.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#102 - 2015-07-26 21:06:45 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Jaret Victorian wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
To be honest, if the Head of state tells you to stop, you damn well stop if you're in her space.

Nobody should be allowed to ride roughshod over the sovereignty of a people, certainly not because of something as vague as an opinion on what is and is not an 'existential threat to the cluster'. The SOCT ship was free to use it's regular scanners - it chose to use it's weird ass Entosis link instead.

And it was warned.

In this instance I must concur with Pieter's opinion.

A head of state within their own sovereignty is, or at least should be, the supreme authority.

Especially so within the Empire where sovereign authority is invested in the person of Empress Jamyl herself.

It sounds like if your crewmember tries to prank you you will sell him to some slavery or something.

I am not a Holder within the Empire or any of its subject territories, Thus I am not legally empower to possess slaves, nor am I ethically predisposed to do so.

Be that as it may.

I assure you Msr. Victorian that the relationship I maintain with my associates precludes the occurrence of.... ‘pranks’.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#103 - 2015-07-26 21:27:13 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Jaret Victorian wrote:

It sounds like if your crewmember tries to prank you you will sell him to some slavery or something.

I am not a Holder within the Empire or any of its subject territories, Thus I am not legally empower to possess slaves, nor am I ethically predisposed to do so.

Be that as it may.

I assure you Msr. Victorian that the relationship I maintain with my associates precludes the occurrence of.... ‘pranks’.

Oh, yes... Okay, must be boring.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#104 - 2015-07-26 21:42:31 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
The Scope has long been known for its failure to understand and its hatred of Amarrian culture. I find that you get a far more objective viewpoint from ACN.

"You get a more objective viewpoint from a state-controlled media organisation that always prints articles exclusively in favour of whatever political viewpoint held by the current occupant of the Imperial Throne."

Yeah okay Blakey. Sure thing.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2015-07-26 21:44:38 UTC


Makoto Priano wrote:
While I respect your legalistic tendencies, Goldfinch, I think you're arguing this too strongly.


You are right, of course. We have overstepped our bounds. We had no intention of upsetting a respected member of the scientific community, and we regret having done so.

\J/

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#106 - 2015-07-26 21:53:26 UTC
Goldfinch wrote:


Makoto Priano wrote:
While I respect your legalistic tendencies, Goldfinch, I think you're arguing this too strongly.


You are right, of course. We have overstepped our bounds. We had no intention of upsetting a respected member of the scientific community, and we regret having done so.



My thanks for the concession. I'll admit we've both become a bit heated.

Let me say that I continue to respect the loyalty and dedication of our Imperial allies, and I do not question their obedience to the order of their sovereign. I simply ask that this loyalty and dedication be alloyed with reason and an understanding of the motivations of others, so that our alliance may be a more fruitful, productive one than otherwise.

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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#107 - 2015-07-26 21:56:48 UTC
An Entosis Link is a weapon. It gathers knowledge.

Knowledge is a more powerful weapon than any other.

I'm not sure why this is a point of discussion. Of course Her Imperial Majesty has secrets that she doesn't want to be made public. Doesn't every ruler?
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#108 - 2015-07-26 22:46:20 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
The Scope has long been known for its failure to understand and its hatred of Amarrian culture. I find that you get a far more objective viewpoint from ACN.

"You get a more objective viewpoint from a state-controlled media organisation that always prints articles exclusively in favour of whatever political viewpoint held by the current occupant of the Imperial Throne."

Yeah okay Blakey. Sure thing.


The ACN is controlled by the Imperial Throne and Scripture, The Scope is controlled by its audience...
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#109 - 2015-07-26 22:56:41 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
An Entosis Link is a weapon. It gathers knowledge.

Knowledge is a more powerful weapon than any other.

I'm not sure why this is a point of discussion. Of course Her Imperial Majesty has secrets that she doesn't want to be made public. Doesn't every ruler?

Yet most harmless if operated correctly. Noone should be denied Knowledge, it's like air.

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#110 - 2015-07-26 23:11:16 UTC
Can I have all of IKAME's POS passwords? No one should be denied knowledge after all...
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2015-07-26 23:32:13 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
The ACN is controlled by the Imperial Throne and Scripture, The Scope is controlled by its audience...

Re-read my statement, Farel. I never said I thought the Scope was objective - I merely remarked on the absurdity of suggesting ACN was in any way "more objective."

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#112 - 2015-07-26 23:32:48 UTC
Vess, certainly! All of them: --. We don't have any POS online at the moment.

That said, without knowing the capabilities of the Circadian Seeker scan, we can't properly calibrate the threat posed by Raish. Simple as that.

What's more, Scherezad-haani, I'd contend that knowledge isn't a weapon: it's a force multiplier.

That still requires the application of force, however, and no known force multiplier makes a battlecruiser a threat to a titan.

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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#113 - 2015-07-26 23:40:14 UTC
Nice comebacks is also a reason why I work where I work.

Would you like to know more, Deitra?

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#114 - 2015-07-26 23:41:46 UTC
If you did have them operational would you still be so willing? Understandably I would think not. There are some bits of info that shouldn't be public knowledge. Maybe that's the case with this? I'm also sure that if I decided to get the passwords without making it known I was seeking them I would get a similar response as Raish, again understandably so.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#115 - 2015-07-26 23:45:10 UTC
Sure! Why not? It's not like I'd be senseless enough to leave POS trash drifting about for you to nudge out of a POS shield. Even with a POS password, you'd be able to do nothing at all.

That said, we still haven't exactly established that Raish was secretly extracting secrets from Sarum's brain or other such fanciful rubbish. If you have any proof of that, well, then I think we'll be rather more militant about Circadian Seekers doing the same to us, don't you think?

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#116 - 2015-07-26 23:45:40 UTC
And ya, that actually was a great comeback, I gotta admit.

Big smile
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#117 - 2015-07-26 23:50:09 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
If you did have them operational would you still be so willing? Understandably I would think not. There are some bits of info that shouldn't be public knowledge. Maybe that's the case with this? I'm also sure that if I decided to get the passwords without making it known I was seeking them I would get a similar response as Raish, again understandably so.

I will admit that what you say is a good point. Our POS password, however, is not an existential threat that could affect other's lives.

And for the record, If I had a POS and you and your crew were in danger I would totally let you in. I assume you will not steal anything, right?

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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#118 - 2015-07-26 23:56:38 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
What's more, Scherezad-haani, I'd contend that knowledge isn't a weapon: it's a force multiplier.

That still requires the application of force, however, and no known force multiplier makes a battlecruiser a threat to a titan.


Um ... I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear! I wasn't suggesting that the SoCT battlecruiser was a direct, immediate threat to the safety of the Empress. Is that what it came across as? Are we really arguing whether someone flying up to an Empress and scanning her without requesting permission is okay? And calling the defense of her person as the Head of Empire as 'questionable'?

This is all sort of counting fishes for sharks. I don't perform neural scans or procedures on strangers without their permission, consent and willful desire - even if the individual is dangerous. It's just not moral. Why would I hold this situation to a lower standard?

Really, I'm not trying to be argumentative here - I don't get it!
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#119 - 2015-07-27 00:02:26 UTC
Steal anything? Yeah right! I have some self respect thank you very much. Thanks for the offer but I also don't operate around you guys and have no real reason to start.

Really I'm only running on speculation, as it seems others here are as well. Am I curious as to what he found, yes but honestly for less than scholarly reasons. Really from what I know of this it just sounds like Raish found sensitive information and she reacted accordingly.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#120 - 2015-07-27 00:16:31 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:

P.S.: While I appreciated your history lesson, here's one for you: I am a Khanid holder. We weren't there when Vak'Atioth and the Rebellion happened. From our perspective we always kicked butt, to use your wording, but never experienced to be kicked.


Here's one for you: If you're gonna buy into the Emperor/Empress' infallibility, you don't get to say 'we were on time out! that didn't count!'.