EVE General Discussion

Also ensure you mske your frieghter come to complete stop after undocking.

Wow its so sad how much explained these bears need things

Lol you see "blue webs on killmails" and assume it doesnt work cuz those losers died?

They did it wromt/too late/after they had been bumped.

Why cant you understand that?


And i ment stop after undocking to practice.

Follow steps laid out by us.

Try it.
See your ship warp sideways within 5secs

Those make them more like battleships, if anything, and none of them are defining characteristics of capships.


…but they don't use the Capital Ships skill, and they appear under the same market tab as the Orca, which, with its L-sized rigs and modules, L-sized construction array, high-sec access, and complete lack of any capship-related skills very clearly isn't a capital ship. So neither of those are really defining characteristics of capships either.

For an old rundown of what actually sets capships apart, see this old thing. Some of the details have changed, but the general distinctiveness and logic behind making that distinction still holds true. In the end, it comes down to how there is no one single sufficient attribute that says something is a capship (except maybe their exclusion from highsec), but there are a handful of necessary ones. On the industrial side, only the Rorqual qualifies for all those necessary conditions.

Are you sure it's not your own salt? The only one I see crying here while calling everyone dumb is you. You should really calm down a bit, get a deep breath, maybe drink a glass of water to reclaim some of the liquid you just lost over the last couple of pages.

Maybe speak to your nearest New Order Agent in-game, so we can make sure you are ready for everyday highsec and don't lose any more of your ships. It's really best for all of us if you stop to rebel, accept your place at the bottom of the PvP food chain and just comply with the Code.

For the future of Highsec and for our children!

You're talking about logging timers and similar... isn't that what the safe log is for?

If you have no timer on you, use safe to ensure you get removed from space instead of doing the normal quit client/log.

But bumping can be annoying as fudge especially when it's easy to bump, but harder to counter bump.

Getting an alt/friend in the general direction of your bump and fleet warp to him/her might be a good way to get out of bumpy situations

/c

But of course that is intended. You shouldn't be able to safe log off if you are in the decidedly unsafe position of being targeted by a hostile ship.

If another player wants to try to kill you, you have to deal with that without the get-out-of-PvP-free of logging out of the game universe. There are ways to counter bump and or destroy the bumper or you can call their bluff and disconnect if you think they are just looking for a ransom, but really the best policy of all is to avoid being tackled in the first place.

Um... how was what I said here in any way 'lawyering'? I was just commenting on the selfish attitude so prevalent amongst the vast majority of carebears, if not all of them. That's not lawyering dude. Lrn2meme.

If targeting is not a hostile act, it should not prevent safe logoff.
ie. shoot me or gtfo.

I agree logoff should not be used to avoid pvp, but the targeting issue is a dumb mechanic.

It is impossible to tank gate-guns for 10 seconds in a frigate. Please stop lying.

That's such an unfortunate view, because in my view, it's not broken. It's really not that big of a risk to begin with, but webbing most certainly does help.

Sure a bumper could sacrifice a tackling ship, which would have to be sensor boosted and within scram/point range when you decloak.

It's just not a practice used and it's not a perfect tactic for them if they wanted to use it because you have control over when you are going to decloak and can be perfectly prepared with your webbing alt/Corpmate/friend beforehand.

This is my webbing alts fit:

http://puu.sh/jeK1R/d6e4f8c6d4.png

In fleet, with interdiction maneuvers running, sensor boosted and webs on before I decloak with my warp.

Less than 2 seconds to lock my Freighter:

http://puu.sh/jeKLu/dcac1be7f9.png

40.6km unheated web and 51km heated (Rapier/Huginn will get 56km web unheated, no links). Even on regional gates my webs are out of range on initial jump through the gate only about 5% of the time and I just maneuver my webs before decloaking in that case.

It's very hard, if you have an effective webbing alt, for a bumping Macharial to bump you before you warp. It's 2 server ticks to lock and 1 more to warp.

As a result, I have no problem jumping through gates where there are Macharials on the other side.

Aside from being prepared, the risk of a hauling contract failing is small to begin with.

Red Frog Freight's annual report for 2014 put them a 0.11% rate of failed contracts. 1 in 1000 contracts, with each contract in highsec being an average of 12 jumps.

In all of 2014, of the 2,786,739 jumps they made in highsec, they only failed on 245 occasions to reach their destination and complete the contract within time.

The risk to haulers is small even before you take measures to protect yourself and being prepared for the worst to happen.

Just in the last few hours I've laid out almost 8 Billion in collateral and taken my Freighter through Uedama for each of those contracts (and back again to Jita on each occasion):

http://puu.sh/jeLtI/276d7052b0.jpg

There have been Macharials sitting off the gates on almost every jump into Uedama I've made today.

I'm no one special and it doesn't take anything really special to make yourself a difficult target.