Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Cost is, always was and always will be a huge factor in EvE Online. Whichever dev it was that said cost is not a factor needed to put down the ice pipe.

If cost is not a factor then why are ships not all the same price? Why is the quote in my sig made by a dev. Why are isk faucets considered bad and isk sinks good. Why did they "make them so expensive"?

The reason is cost is THE MOST IMPORTANT factor in balancing. The problem with supers did not come about because balance failed due to cost. The problem was that CCP made revenue streams available to alliances that made the costs associated with producing supers insignificant.

They also failed to see, understandably, the emergence of mega-alliances and coalitions for which the cost of a super or 20 is trifling as well as the reluctance of pilots to employ supers in risky situations.

Because CCP made BP's reflect different ship abilities. Even with tiericide ccp put in place the same damn tiers they had before. My rohk's slot layout is not the same as my raven or scorpions. Concentrations of materials also reflective of what ship does. My widow's t2 material vary from golem. One is a monster active tanker damage monster. They other is a somewhat stealthy big fat ninjya ship.

Cost is not factor. This was seen in sub caps many times. Titans don't have exclusivity here.


Long ago I flew dramiels when newer to the game. There were not nerfed yet. I paid lots of isk for them. Why? AF's and inty''s sucked ass. Dramiel was a hybrid of the 2 that solved the issues inty and AF had. Put another way I paid 90 mil to not be in s ship that sucked ass vice saving money buying a then as low as 16 mil isk t2 frigate that did suck ass.

I was not alone here. We were in fact legion......We pve'd or did our other isk making ventures more to buy them. I also pay RL money for my sub not going into emo rage seizures as needed. What does this get me? If I only make 500 mil in month...its all fun money. I am not going oh no, can't buy anything as I can't plex this month and contemplate sepuku for my failings as an eve player. This alone frees ups a lot of isk for me. especially with today's plex market.


Seen in not even "op"pirate. Hit on tiericide again. Before tiericide by and large THE fleet BS was a race's Tier 3 BS. After tiericde....the what was tier 3 BS was still THE fleet bs. They got more expensive, did not change the fact they were the "best" option of the 3 for all purpose fleet work.

My usual example, caldari. Fleet on fleet or bash scorpion not an ideal choice. E-war great but you aren't jamming a 400 man fleet. That which is not jammed....will kill you. Raven like a middle child, you know its there, you recall it sometimes does good things but well....its the middle child so get less attention regardless. And you have rokh. Instant damage, gets range, instant damage, resist bonus, instant damage, looks better (imo), and in case I forgot to mention it instant damage.

Rohk has always cost me more. And it was and still is my go to fleet BS. As it is for many many crews.

They were done at first post.


Don't think they ever did indy work. We tend to spam the crap out of copies. And invents. Good inventoors don't wait for trends, they when bored spam t2 invents for what could pay out in the long game. Sure its isk spent up front. Bit of luck....it pays real good down the road. takes money to make money.


Or we already own bpo's.


Don't think they want to present an idea where all this in one magical patch is pulled from the server. For the main reason the indy aspect to this game kind of a major selling point to eve.

Welcome to eve...we will let you craft whatever you want and explore an almost player driven economy....when we feel like dropping blueprints to let you do it. Just not real catchy a sales pitch, to me anyway.

Me tbh....am starting to like this idea though. I am Indy burnout so if OP will give me caveat I get full market price for what my bp's worth...and my t2 invention sp reimbursed (as I gather t2 will now be NPC controlled, so except for the graviton for my hictor the rest will be useless) I make out real good in all honesty. Lots of copies....a few originals too. Some isk there. It be the SP's I'd make a decent killing from though.

I have been in richer homes. I have seen what a heavy mach or vindi hit squad can do. Don't base pvp use on a limited exposure. in a place with cheap asses, yes you won't see this. Other places though where peeps not as tight with the coin purse strings...man you see some cool ass ****. Your best bet is to run in crew not driven by the almighty isk efficiency rating. In these kind of isk efficiency places you won't see fun comps. Its not the isk to some that is concern. Its the ass chewing in comms after as some e-dictator is ranting about how they are messing up the kb stats.

Also remember you get blops pilots who do more than bridge. They get the urge, its not looking like a bad idea, they can and will hop on in and kill something. Your homework assignment is to look at markets for blops prices.

Speaking of isk efficiency and killboard stats,

remember when moa lost a dabigredboat revenant?


Revenants: rare and expensive, and will mess up your killboard stats

in the case of pl's space turd loss I enjoyed the grath comm leaks the most from the whole incident, their isk efficiency hit just could not compare.

And to be honest the I guess leader of that op got some rep points from me. Just rolled along with the loss on that it seems. At least on the comm leaks that went around. I will admit to liking the irony of a PL dynamite fishing trip blowing up in their face. But lots of cool points for the balls to actually run stuff like this was given to them.

artificially raising prices on ships is just horrible, so no.

Yes CCP could add an artificial limit but this is not how a sandbox works.
Ship supply is limited already by ressource supply that is why an Titan today costs 100billion and not 35 like in 2009.
We do not fly battleship fleets anymore because they are expensive loosing 250man fleet with bs and t2 is 50billion isk and 2000hours of mining to get the ressources.

With the removal of the botting fleets and droneloot the infinite ressourcepool is gone and ships are limited in supply already.


Nerfing?? Anyone remembering the Vagabond in 2008 ? 30km/s+ 400dps and no way to tackle that vagabond that was fun.
The balacing in 2015 is a lot better then it was 10 years ago. Stop crying about the flavor of the month ship it will pass and there will be another ship you can cry about.

You can't ignore coalition in any balance proposal. Making friends will always be powerful and will always happen, espcially if it enable you to corner an important asset like the rare component used to produce the latest WTFPWNMOBILE.

No. Bottlenecks in production were done before. Remember the sky high Technetium prices, OTEC, and how unbalancing that was?

And what is the point of having a OP ship that is cost prohibitive. Might as well delete it...like this thread.

Sorry, just a bad, bad idea.

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Still trying to figure out how this will solve the balance problem.

If there is a super awesome ship nobody can get (cost prohibtive)...then players will ignore it and balance problems will return to the ships they can afford....