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An open discourse on faith, the Empress and the Empire
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Matar Ronin
#41 - 2015-07-25 17:38:26 UTC
It is an accurate comment to say I speak rudely to those who perpetrate slavery. It is also accurate to say I refer to practices some call a religion a cult. On balance compared to being called scorned by God and primitive my comments could be perceived as mild.

Sometimes I go beyond what is required to make a point, but the value of the point is more important than my unskillful way of presenting it.

On IGS being a member of a respected organization does not in an of itself make one's opinion superior to anyone else's. If memory serves me correctly I acknowledged the work that went into the PPC and expressed my disappointment with elements of it's final form.

Being rebuked for pointing out a major flaw on the path to peace is something I do not fear.

Perhaps my tone here has been different because of the context, your thread was about faith and faith that is horribly misguided is still faith. I can see the difference between people doing bad things because they have been led to think it is the right thing to do by those under whose authority they dwell and worship and people who do bad things because they want to see the world burn.

I have faith that the majority of people who inflict slavery on other human beings in space controlled by the followers of jamyl sarum are doing bad things because they have been raised to think it's ok not because they wish to see the world burn.

That is why I have faith that peace is possible without genocide.

If jamyl sarum knew that for most Minmatar we only want to make slavery history, not wreak havoc upon the slavers or destroy the economic viability of where billions of our kinsman live I think the process could move forward much much faster.

But to expect calm thoughtful comments in every conversation where one side assumes birthright superiority is something I do not often achieve. I have experienced slavery, it is not an abstract concept for me, and the passionate responses that experience engenders sometimes burst forth demanding that everyone acknowledge that on the very most basic human level slavery is wrong and morally indefensible.

‘Vain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.’

" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#42 - 2015-07-25 17:40:44 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Nauplius is not a Holder. Nauplius is a scum sucking heretic that CONCORD prevents the righteous from burning down every one of his cloning facilities, clones and anything related to him. He and his ilk deserve nothing but total obliteration. He buys his slaves off the SCC free markets, and Amarrians were the ones shouting to stop such practices. Holders who engage in behaviour simialr to the Sabik and the Blooders will have nothing but pain and misery rained down upon them.


Well, on that, we can certainly agree.

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Further, as per Imperial doctrine, working all of one's slaves to death might well constitute a break of the law as decreed by former Emperors regarding the well treatment of one's slaves.


I have to admit, I'm not familiar with the state of Amarr Law regarding the care and treatment of slaves. I would imagine, based solely on what I have seen and been told about, that many are treated in a manner that is not without some dignity... but as a matter of principle, I would say that unless each and every life under someone's care is to be treated as a precious treasure... it is not enough, and that life is better entrusted to its own care.
The Golden Serpent
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#43 - 2015-07-30 10:26:50 UTC
Slavery is only for the wicked, you can just convert and no one will make you a slave for then you are God's slave.

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iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#44 - 2015-07-30 16:44:30 UTC
The Golden Serpent wrote:
Slavery is only for the wicked, you can just convert and no one will make you a slave for then you are God's slave.


So god is wicked.
Gotcha.

Phrasing is important.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#45 - 2015-07-30 17:28:23 UTC
The Golden Serpent wrote:
Slavery is only for the wicked, you can just convert and no one will make you a slave for then you are God's slave.


And yet, as we've discussed, those who convert and profess their faith may well be lying precisely to secure the release you claim awaits them. So terribly hard to know, so really, you can't just go trusting the wicked about that sort of thing, now can you?
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