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Awox Nerf Fails to Boost EVE Numbers

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#21 - 2015-07-20 17:33:25 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I'll do a 1v1 thunderdome with you. You pick the ship class and any rules you feel you need. Then we'll work out a time and do it.

My only rule is we fleet up so there are no boosting descrepancies. Just 2 folks in fleet - me and you.

Considering that you are the who is upset with me for not dying I would agree to this why?

And you're stupid for proposing it, you realize I'd cheat, right?


I'm neither upset nor stupid.

Are you about to Holysheet1 on me? Is that what I'm feeling here?

Poop just got real Vimsy... what are you going to do?
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#22 - 2015-07-20 17:35:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Tbh I love me a good seal clubbing session. Also no, I'm not going to sit in Amarr shaking my fist and yelling like a lunatic in barely comprehensible English , I'm going to reinforce some POCOs and later kill some P I R A T.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#23 - 2015-07-20 17:40:21 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Tbh I love me a good seal clubbing session. Also no, I'm not going to sit in Amarr shaking my fist and yelling like a lunatic in barely comprehensible English , I'm going to reinforce some POCOs and later kill some P I R A T.


Are you accepting my thunderdome challenge or not?
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#24 - 2015-07-20 18:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
I don't think that AWOXing is the only impediment to developing thriving corps in hisec., therefore it is not a surprise to me at least that it had zilch effect, therefore to triumphantly make such a post is rather amusing.

In terms of the dreaded tick box CCP ended up being too simplistic, now if they put a friendly fire tick box that you can apply in role management that would make it more useful for those that actually have a brain, why do it properly when you can make it useless, such is life...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-07-20 18:14:49 UTC
I think Vimsy is the kind of PvP'er who cares about his killboard that much that he will only engage when victory is 99.99999% assured. I'm not knocking it if that's what he wants out of the game. Each to their own.

Also on topic, I awoxed some dude in an Orca once, and he told me that it was the most exciting thing that had happened to him in 3 years of EvE.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#26 - 2015-07-20 19:12:29 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
I think Vimsy is the kind of PvP'er who cares about his killboard that much that he will only engage when victory is 99.99999% assured. I'm not knocking it if that's what he wants out of the game. Each to their own.

It's more a case of always doing whatever is necessary to assure that you win, regardless of what the stakes are. As a general principle I don't shoot at other people unless my intent is to explode their spaceship by any means I have available.

That's why I declined to participate in the C&P thunderdome. I'd cheat, every single time without fail and that wouldn't be fair on people who're actually interested in participating properly. So no, I'm no going to do honorable space battle with anyone, because you'd be upset when 10 neutral guardians landed. If you would like to see me explode you'll have to arrange for it to happen on your own (protip: I am often suspect flagged 50km off a certain stargate).
Pur
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-07-20 19:51:08 UTC
I'd like a single player version of EVE.

One system, one station, four agents (one at each level to allow for progression), innumerable belts, one permanent ice field and a pre-populated NPC market selling every item imaginable at knock-down prices. I'd also like around 100 bots in system for me to socialize with.

Oh and I want a continuously re-spawning 4/10 which always drops the best loot.

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#28 - 2015-07-20 20:13:50 UTC
Pur wrote:
I'd like a single player version of EVE.

One system, one station, four agents (one at each level to allow for progression), innumerable belts, one permanent ice field and a pre-populated NPC market selling every item imaginable at knock-down prices. I'd also like around 100 bots in system for me to socialize with.

Oh and I want a continuously re-spawning 4/10 which always drops the best loot.



http://www.egosoft.com/games/x3ap/info_en.php
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#29 - 2015-07-20 21:57:49 UTC
It's like I always said.

If people were supposedly not recruiting newbies because of awoxing, then how was any awoxing happening to complain about? Meanwhile, I was knocking off fifteen corps a month at my prime, and getting into even more that weren't worth it, so clearly people were recruiting.

This was a false flag, to solve a non-problem.

Turns out, people join this game for the conflict that is the game's main selling point, not to chew on rocks in silence until they quit.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Tibo Paralian
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#30 - 2015-07-20 23:48:43 UTC
When did CCP ever said the changes were to increase new player retention?
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-07-21 00:38:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Carrie-Anne Moss
Tibo Paralian wrote:
When did CCP ever said the changes were to increase new player retention?

CSM Summer 2014 minutes. You can download pdf.

They said players that remain in NPC corps have a Drasticlly reduced retention rate.

One of their solutions to encourage corps to recruit players more and to make corps less scary was this.


Still wtf is my "exculde corps with FF-disabled, check box in corp search?

Ccp Lebowski said he agreed to add it but had to check with his team...
Edit may have been winter minutes i duno. 2014 Csm minutes. Big round table on corps
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2015-07-21 00:39:49 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Quote:
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Shailagh wrote:
It says in the corp search, you can filter out all the evil FF-ON corps.
Will you be giving us the option to filter out the risk-adverse FF-OFF corps? And only search for FF Enabled corps??
If not, why the disparity?

This was simply done in the same way that the current 'Exclude Corporations in Alliances' checkbox works, and was not intentionally meant to only provide one option and not the other. I agree with you on this, it might be best to give both options, and Ill see if the team agrees and if its feasible for Tiamat.
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0


And for over half a year no reply. Guess it wasnt feasible for Tiamat release or ever since lol

Wtf Lebowski? ETA on feasibility?
Ripblade Falconpunch
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2015-07-21 01:59:34 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Quote:
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Shailagh wrote:
It says in the corp search, you can filter out all the evil FF-ON corps.
Will you be giving us the option to filter out the risk-adverse FF-OFF corps? And only search for FF Enabled corps??
If not, why the disparity?

This was simply done in the same way that the current 'Exclude Corporations in Alliances' checkbox works, and was not intentionally meant to only provide one option and not the other. I agree with you on this, it might be best to give both options, and Ill see if the team agrees and if its feasible for Tiamat.
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0


And for over half a year no reply. Guess it wasnt feasible for Tiamat release or ever since lol

Wtf Lebowski? ETA on feasibility?


@CCP_Lebowski - also requesting feasibility of CAM being permabanned. Thanks.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#34 - 2015-07-21 09:45:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Turns out, people join this game for the conflict that is the game's main selling point, not to chew on rocks in silence until they quit.

But I must be able to grind intensely repetitive activities over and over for hours with no goal or purpose beyond increasing the number in my wallet and gaining better gear to make this number increase faster. Other MMOS have taught me that this is what I must do and all in-game interruptions are griefing if not cyber bullying and attempt to disuade me from this are attempts to "force me to play your way". Subsequently unsolicited interactions with other players should be totally impossible.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#35 - 2015-07-21 10:41:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Turns out, people join this game for the conflict that is the game's main selling point, not to chew on rocks in silence until they quit.
Actually, the stats show that at least 3 times as many players join for "levelling their raven", they just leave unfulfilled.

Vimsy Vortis wrote:
So I use the corp advertisement search function to look for people to declare war on. If a corp has Area of Operation: highsec and friendly fire set to illegal then it's a pretty clear indicator that they aren't going to be able to defend themselves.

Relying on a mechanical switch to make you safe, rather than using good recruitment practices and not presenting an attractive target expresses how little you trust your members and how little effort you're willing to put in to protecting them and also makes it apparent that you have things worth messing with.

It's basically a "I can't protect myself, if you shoot at me I won't shoot back." Flag.

Edit: like Valkin said, it indicates a mentality. The type of people who are unwilling to lift a finger in defense of themselves or their corpmates.
I find this the be the most hypocritical part of these types of threads. You guys bang on about "the carebears" while you are purposely picking targets that don't fight back. you're as much of a carebear as they are, and what you want is low risk, no-challenge gameplay.

The awox change was put in to remove the almost entirely enforce restriction preventing people running highsec corps from recruiting new players. I don't think anyone seriously expected floods of noobs to be pouring in, but it's a start in the right direction. The problem is there's still so much more to do, because as it stands, the arrival into the game puts you straight into the firing line of the players who want nothing more than to harvest tears from easy targets, and that's no fun for new players.

Highsec should be pretty damn safe. There, I said it. That's what highsec is. The fact that you guys want to hide in the safety of highsec yet whine when others want to do the same is ridiculous. All you want is to demonstrate your enormous power over noobs. It's like walking into a playschool punching kids in the face to prove you're the strongest.

The biggest problem is that EVE already has that stigma attached to it. It's spent so long attracting trolls who want the freedom to beat up noobs and pat themselves on the back that the game is filled with those types of players and people know it. Mainstream gamers just aren't interested in joining as some reddit poster's fodder. And I know, I know, the themepark crowd aren't welcome here, EVE is a niche game, etc. If they aren't careful though it's going to niche itself out of existence.

Personally I have no problem with a bunch of players coming in from WoW and hanging around safely shooting red triangles while paying subs so that CCP have more cash to spend on improving the game. Since I don't sit around stations in highsec crying about "the carebears", it's irrelevant what they do there.

Anyway, that's my 0.50. Enjoy the inevitable wardec changes and the entosis links that come with them.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#36 - 2015-07-21 10:53:13 UTC
*shrug*
I've never had a hauler or barge jacked in high sec, ever. I don't drive them much anymore, but I did for years.
I've flown under wardec for a bit over a year now, with a few short weeks respite... I haven't been seal-clubbed for having the audacity of undocking yet.

I know for a fact I'm not lucky. I'm paying attention to my surroundings and playing like it's NOT safe. Strangely this seems to work to some degree or another.

A certain amount of fear is a healthy thing, as it can keep you alert and cautious.
Too much is just toxic though.
I'm not going to weigh in on the various playstyles, as I do have no problem with folks playing the game how they like. This includes the 'psycho' gankers, the 'warmongering' mercs, and the warm fuzzy carebears doing their carebear things. Hell, I used to be one.

I simply don't feel that high sec is supposed to be quite as safe as you do. That mentality, ironically enough, has kept ME fairly safe in my time here... so I'm sticking with it.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#37 - 2015-07-21 11:37:39 UTC
Guys let's totally butcher the game and reduce it's appeal to the niche audience that has kept the game alive up until this point in an attempt to appeal to the more conventional MMO audience!

This is a totally sweet idea because even though traditional MMO players normally migrate between games as those MMOs go f2p then die even though they have huge budgets and massive hype they will somehow stick with EVE in the long term.

Oh wait, that's a ******** idea.
Aoife Fraoch
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2015-07-21 12:15:06 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Guys let's totally butcher the game and reduce it's appeal to the niche audience that has kept the game alive up until this point in an attempt to appeal to the more conventional MMO audience!

This is a totally sweet idea because even though traditional MMO players normally migrate between games as those MMOs go f2p then die even though they have huge budgets and massive hype they will somehow stick with EVE in the long term.

Oh wait, that's a ******** idea.


Pretty much this. The last thing CCP needs is for EVE to join that long list of games failing to WoW before switching to F2P.

Making it more like the other games out there isn't how eve managed to stay one of the few games to have the audacity to charge a monthly fee and get away with it for so long in the current market.
Tibo Paralian
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#39 - 2015-07-21 12:46:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It's like I always said.

Meanwhile, I was knocking off fifteen corps a month at my prime...



I may be mistaken, but are the elite highsec pvpers crying about not being able to awox random corps of their choice?


Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#40 - 2015-07-21 12:57:21 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Guys let's totally butcher the game and reduce it's appeal to the niche audience that has kept the game alive up until this point in an attempt to appeal to the more conventional MMO audience!

This is a totally sweet idea because even though traditional MMO players normally migrate between games as those MMOs go f2p then die even though they have huge budgets and massive hype they will somehow stick with EVE in the long term.

Oh wait, that's a ******** idea.
First off that used up argument falls apart when you realise that WoW is nearly as old as EVE with a significantly higher playerbase. FF11 is older than EVE, has higher subs than EVE (as far as can be seen) and that's even up against their own sequel as competition. MMOs fail for many reasons but it's clearly not just "themepark = dead".

That said, I'm not suggesting that EVE become a themepark, but it shouldn't go full hog the other way either, catering exclusively to people who want nothing more than to pretend they are macho by beating up newbies and harvesting their tears. There's plenty of room for EVE to have a whole range of appeal, from players who want to shoot red triangles to those that want to live in the depths of nowhere where every day is a new challenge. It's about working the mechanics so that all of those things are actually feasible.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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