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[IG-CVA] Encyclical on Singularity and the One True Empire of the Lord

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Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2015-07-21 11:42:12 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:

Max Singularity is a modern Fleet Commander of Vak'atioth. He is a modern Holder of the Starkmanir. He is a modern Heir of House Khanid, and a modern Chamberlain of Blood.



Commodore,

I must strongly suggest you redact this portion of your statement.

You lump my King in a pile of failures and heretics? You do realize of course, that my King is a trusted advisor of the Empress, yes? You do realize that the Kingdom is a vital part of the Empire? You should probably consider that if the Theology Council has had no issue with his actions, that maybe you, little Matari, should respect their decision?

An apology to the loyal people of Khanid would be appropriate.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#42 - 2015-07-21 11:44:55 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
... yet he has no support from the very people he has come from, The Amarr! A nullsec coalition and a few rag tag outlaws and other ignorants does not the support of an entire cluster make...



When you say nullsec coalition, you also mean CVA.

Consider this...
If you think there are no CVA and Members of its Houses standing by my side, then you are naive.

And...
If you think that I do not respect the institution that CVA has built, then you are deaf.

Furthermore...
If you believe name calling, degrading, demeaning arguments to focus on me or The Imperium, and not the topic at hand are a valid tactic of diplomacy, then maybe it is my fault to listen to those at my side. For plans and mercies can be reset.




When those who declared for your crusade called for the decrowning and/or death of our Empress, the gloves came off sir.

Show me the Heir that supports your interpretation of the faith. Show me the Scriptural doctrines and laws that allow for this "Sixth Empire". Show me what part of the Amarr social apparatus you have come from that supports you. Show me what plans you have in place for the good governing of Baseliners, because you've put a large amount of emphasis in Capsuleers and Capsuleer crews.

You do have a plan for creating an entire government from the ground up if these capsuleers somehow miraculously overthrow the Empire's apparatus right? How about keeping the major catastrophic collapse of the Amarrian Economy, or how to accomodate billions of immediately emancipated Slaves and give them work, wages, house, keep and means of government? What of their souls that need to be Reclaimed as per the ancient law that you were taught and born from?

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#43 - 2015-07-21 11:46:43 UTC
Kontrahage wrote:
I have no doubt your criminal connections were successful in installing spies and covered agents among our ranks but do not presume to use the good name of the Curatores Veritatis Alliance to support your devious plot.


Did CVA declare war on any one, or all of the 10 alliances of The Imperium during Burn Amarr?

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#44 - 2015-07-21 12:06:36 UTC
Kontrahage wrote:
... connections were successful in installing spies and covered agents among our ranks...


You confuse spies and agents going to you, as refugees, disgruntled, disavowed, and abused coming to us. You have sowed the fields of discontent for years, and you expect no harvest of grief in your ranks? Close your fist tighter lad.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#45 - 2015-07-21 12:11:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
You lump my King in a pile of failures and heretics?


Your king stole half of Amarr's fleets and a quarter of its territory, and blasphemed against God and the Theology Council in the process. We have been merciful enough to forgive His Majesty and allow him to dine again at our table, I'm sure you can forgive a small acknowledgment of history.
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#46 - 2015-07-21 12:27:31 UTC
Oh I can just hear the hissed intakes of breath from so many of the Amarrians reading that "we".
Kontrahage
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2015-07-21 12:40:03 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:
Kontrahage wrote:
I have no doubt your criminal connections were successful in installing spies and covered agents among our ranks but do not presume to use the good name of the Curatores Veritatis Alliance to support your devious plot.


Did CVA declare war on any one, or all of the 10 alliances of The Imperium during Burn Amarr?


We are at war with the CFC.
Every single one of it's member alliances is KOS.

What you call declarations of war is nothing but bribes paid to CONCORD so they'd turn a blind eye to your crimes.

CVA fleets were present during your raid and when they were not our pilots were flying with AG or others
their limited success finding it's cause in the corruption of CONCORD and your willingness to sacrifice
your crews in suicide attacks.
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#48 - 2015-07-21 12:55:53 UTC
Kontrahage wrote:
Max Singularity wrote:
Kontrahage wrote:
I have no doubt your criminal connections were successful in installing spies and covered agents among our ranks but do not presume to use the good name of the Curatores Veritatis Alliance to support your devious plot.


Did CVA declare war on any one, or all of the 10 alliances of The Imperium during Burn Amarr?


We are at war with the CFC.
Every single one of it's member alliances is KOS.

What you call declarations of war is nothing but bribes paid to CONCORD so they'd turn a blind eye to your crimes.

CVA fleets were present during your raid and when they were not our pilots were flying with AG or others
their limited success finding it's cause in the corruption of CONCORD and your willingness to sacrifice
your crews in suicide attacks.


So no then.

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Kontrahage
Perkone
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-07-21 13:02:19 UTC
Max Singularity wrote:
Kontrahage wrote:
Max Singularity wrote:
Kontrahage wrote:
I have no doubt your criminal connections were successful in installing spies and covered agents among our ranks but do not presume to use the good name of the Curatores Veritatis Alliance to support your devious plot.


Did CVA declare war on any one, or all of the 10 alliances of The Imperium during Burn Amarr?


We are at war with the CFC.
Every single one of it's member alliances is KOS.

What you call declarations of war is nothing but bribes paid to CONCORD so they'd turn a blind eye to your crimes.

CVA fleets were present during your raid and when they were not our pilots were flying with AG or others
their limited success finding it's cause in the corruption of CONCORD and your willingness to sacrifice
your crews in suicide attacks.


So no then.


So in the fact that CVA did not bribe CONCORD to violate her Majesty's laws you see a sign of support to your cause?
You must be either desperate or truly insane.
Max Singularity
House Singularity
Sixth Empire
#50 - 2015-07-21 13:41:43 UTC
KOS is not WAR... KOS is simply NBSI as administered now.

I see NRDS as something more, something higher, something that "help is coming".

I know all about 'OUR' KOS... yes that's right I said "our" as in ours, yours and mine.

I was a protector of Providence. As a resident member of Volt I protected the GATEWAY ENTRY system. We spent thousands of ships, no less crews and I witnessed first hand CVA's "no help is coming".

I am still an Ambassador of Providence and you have no idea how I am functioning as a Protector yet... However, personal attacks against me and NOT discussing the matter at hand is doing much to sway my opinion and a dangerous diplomatic tact with one that has such say.

Are you a sanctioned, official, chain of command diplomat of CVA willing to negate mercies in place?

Harbinger of Faith His Holiness Maximilian Singularity VI, Pope of New Eden

First Champion House Kador (defeated) - #MagnateGate

Viceroy Interview & Apostle In Amarr

Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2015-07-21 14:46:09 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
You lump my King in a pile of failures and heretics?


Your king stole half of Amarr's fleets and a quarter of its territory, and blasphemed against God and the Theology Council in the process. We have been merciful enough to forgive His Majesty and allow him to dine again at our table, I'm sure you can forgive a small acknowledgment of history.



It was more like a third. And a Titan.

And the Imperial Navy fought us and lost.

And the great Houses railed against us and lost.

And many have tried to assassinate my King and have lost.

And the Theology Council and the Empire welcomed us back.

Perhaps in your small acknowledgement of history you should acknowledge that God has allowed all this to transpire for a reason?

We are humbled by His Blessings in what he has allowed us to achieve.

A little humility would also serve you well.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2015-07-21 14:57:51 UTC
That will probably be seen as minor nitpicking lord Mokk, but I believe that it was not merely a single titan, but one of the two Iapetan class titans that the Amarr Empire ever built.

Promethean titans did not even exist at that time, and yet those Iapetans eclipse prometheans in such ratios in scale and power that it would be close to irrelevant if it was not for the doomsday device of the prometheans...

Anyway, they did not exist. The simple existence of a single Iapetan titan in those days meant an almost infinite power of mass destruction, and a ship almost indestructible itself.

They still are to this day, I believe one of the biggest factors propelling the 'Big Four' to their current military status compared to the rest of the cluster... And the fact that Khanid II still possesses one of those colossi puts the kingdom in an unique military position.

Now then, when the schism occured, what made the Amarr Empire weary to attack a rebellious Heir was that Imud-Hubrau pretty much alone. I think you can safely assume that the mere presence of that single ship is what made the existence of the Khanid Kingdom possible through History.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#53 - 2015-07-21 14:58:53 UTC
Brother Honorius;

First, let me thank you for your response. Given my... political affiliations, it's far too common for members of other organizations to assume I've no interest in civil discourse, but only wanton slaughter, and nothing could be further from the truth.

To your first point, I can only say: point taken. I'm not trying to be dismissive of your faith when I say 'your God', but only indicative that I do not hold to the belief in such a being. There was no offense intended, and I apologize for any I have inadvertently given. In future discussions, I will simply use 'God' or 'the Lord'.

Regarding the statement that to be holy, one cannot become impure, I'm forced to ask: In the Amarr faith, who, with the possible exception of the Emperor/Empress, is not impure? Can anyone claim to never sin, to never err and falter on their path? If so, how? If not... then how can anyone know holiness except through the lens of impurity?

Regarding slavery, while I disagree with it, I can accept that the Empire's position is the Empire's position. But the concept of conversion and persuasion through punitive measures raises a somewhat more... insidious... question:

If a slave takes up the Amarr faith, behaves as you wish them to, says all the right things... in order to make the punishments and discipline stop... then have you led the slave to virtue, or to corruption? If someone behaves properly not out of a sincere belief, but rather in pursuit of some personal gain - be it actual rewards or simply relief from punishment - then is that not simply displaying a willingness to be bribed? Are they not simply behaving however the person with the most reward to offer wishes them to behave?

Again, these are sincere questions as I try to understand the Empire's culture, and I do appreciate you taking the time to answer them, regardless of what unpleasantness may be on the horizon between our organizations.
Arraz Nomarya
Royal Khanid Navy
Khanid Kingdom
#54 - 2015-07-21 15:07:32 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:

A little humility would also serve you well.


Rather, silence would suit one who carries the blood of a fallen race in her veins and the marks of their sins on her face.

If such a lesser servant spoke of a True Amarr Holder of the merest parcel of land and slaves in such tones, I would have them shot. For speaking thus of His Majesty Khanid II, Holder of Khanid, Lord of the Marches, I would have them impaled and flayed while their life's blood ebbed from their miserable body.

This lesser had best pray with her betters that she never crosses my path.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#55 - 2015-07-21 15:30:36 UTC
How quickly the servants of Unity turn on one another.

Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Oh I can just hear the hissed intakes of breath from so many of the Amarrians reading that "we".


And in exhaling, those hisses turn to venom.
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2015-07-21 15:48:02 UTC
Arraz Nomarya wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:

A little humility would also serve you well.


Rather, silence would suit one who carries the blood of a fallen race in her veins and the marks of their sins on her face.

If such a lesser servant spoke of a True Amarr Holder of the merest parcel of land and slaves in such tones, I would have them shot. For speaking thus of His Majesty Khanid II, Holder of Khanid, Lord of the Marches, I would have them impaled and flayed while their life's blood ebbed from their miserable body.

This lesser had best pray with her betters that she never crosses my path.



Royal Commodore,

I am honored beyond words that you would grace us with your wisdom. The child is ostensibly a member of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris. I have no doubt that her superiors will attend to her education more closely, going forward.

If I may be of any service to you sir, or the Royal Navy, you have but to ask.

Deepest regards,

Sinjin Mokk,
Cyberknight, House Mokk, Kihtaled II.

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Jennifer Starfall
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#57 - 2015-07-21 16:10:27 UTC
Arraz Nomarya wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:

A little humility would also serve you well.


Rather, silence would suit one who carries the blood of a fallen race in her veins and the marks of their sins on her face.

If such a lesser servant spoke of a True Amarr Holder of the merest parcel of land and slaves in such tones, I would have them shot. For speaking thus of His Majesty Khanid II, Holder of Khanid, Lord of the Marches, I would have them impaled and flayed while their life's blood ebbed from their miserable body.

This lesser had best pray with her betters that she never crosses my path.


I had always wondered why the Kingdom was separate from the Empire. If you serve as an example, I can understand why the Empire would want to distance themselves from such uncivilized barbarians that consider biological race the sole measure of a person. Lt. Kernher is a righteous, God fearing citizen of the Empire who has done more to defend the Righteous and oppose heretics than your small, bigoted mind can comprehend.

And if you take offense at this, you're welcome to find your courage and balls and visit me at Reblier VIII-10 and prove how you're better. Otherwise, go back to bullying your slaves.

Jennifer Starfall

Fifth Seyllin Conference

Anslo
Scope Works
#58 - 2015-07-21 16:10:43 UTC
Arraz Nomarya wrote:
Sinjin Mokk wrote:

A little humility would also serve you well.


Rather, silence would suit one who carries the blood of a fallen race in her veins and the marks of their sins on her face.

If such a lesser servant spoke of a True Amarr Holder of the merest parcel of land and slaves in such tones, I would have them shot. For speaking thus of His Majesty Khanid II, Holder of Khanid, Lord of the Marches, I would have them impaled and flayed while their life's blood ebbed from their miserable body.

This lesser had best pray with her betters that she never crosses my path.

I wouldn't underestimate her ability to defend herself Mr. Edgy.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2015-07-21 16:24:06 UTC
Indeed. Samira stays subservient - and consequently, I would remark, extremely useful - to the Amarr Empire because she honestly, sincerely believes that she should. I would strongly advise that Amarrians with more mouth than sense (and that descriptor applies to at least a small majority of Imperials on the IGS) never push her to the point where she might find it relevant to question those beliefs.

I strongly suspect you wouldn't like what happened next.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Anslo
Scope Works
#60 - 2015-07-21 16:24:56 UTC
It'd involve guns. Lots of guns. Guns you aren't escaping.

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