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Active Armor Tanking Marauders need Improvement
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2015-07-20 13:01:26 UTC
Khan Wrenth wrote:
Simpler solution:

Bastion provides boost to active tanking. Rebalance the shield and armor rep stats so the shield rep bonus is nerfed by 20%.

Not sure if your second sentence is one of solutions, but bastion already doubles your active tanking abilities (armor repair and shield boost amounts).

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Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#22 - 2015-07-20 15:29:16 UTC
Its not armor tanking that limits the kronos/paladin. Its the lack of mids for extra CB. A golem or varg COULD run dual cap boosters with XLSB. XLASB is cheaper/stronger though, in most cases anyway. The kronos/pal only have 4 mids. Meaning in most cases you get 1 CB.

Under heavy neut pressure, a single CB isnt going to cut it to allow tank/guns to run. Some of this can be side stepped with nos. But its sketchy at best. That is why pal/kronos are less viable. As if you include MJD, then you lose mid for tackle. Just a poor slot layout IMO.

However looking outside solo. A fleet of paladins could be downright fearsome with logi.

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Perihelion Olenard
#23 - 2015-07-20 18:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Its not armor tanking that limits the kronos/paladin. Its the lack of mids for extra CB. A golem or varg COULD run dual cap boosters with XLSB. XLASB is cheaper/stronger though, in most cases anyway. The kronos/pal only have 4 mids. Meaning in most cases you get 1 CB.

Under heavy neut pressure, a single CB isnt going to cut it to allow tank/guns to run. Some of this can be side stepped with nos. But its sketchy at best. That is why pal/kronos are less viable. As if you include MJD, then you lose mid for tackle. Just a poor slot layout IMO.

However looking outside solo. A fleet of paladins could be downright fearsome with logi.

You can't use the MJD or receive any support including logistics in bastion mode. It would be pointless to activate a MWD or afterburner in bastion since you can't move. Therefore, with 4 med slots, you can fit a warp disruptor or scrambler, a web, and two large cap boosters. Bastion is what I bought a Kronos for. If I won't be using bastion, I can use another battleship that may do more damage, have more mid slots, or have other bonuses.

Even if there were enough slots for multiple propulsion modules, tackle, neutron blasters, dual cap boosters, and armor repairers, there isn't enough PG to fit it all. Something would have to be sacrificed.
Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-07-20 19:05:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Pax Deltari
Belthazor4011 wrote:
Well I am an armor boy, lets start with that.
That said why care about Marauders anyways? They're made to do lvl 4s really well and they already do that.


Wat?Shocked

Paladin, Kronos are like the only ships that can Solo C5's... Armor Mara's have less cap problems than Shield Mara's. So they're harder to counter with Neuts in PvP / PvE. Also stop fitting your maradurs with T2 Mods and fit them with faction/complex gear. Your tank goes through the roof with even C-types and they're not that expensive...

Honestly if you want to use these ships you need to understand your fitting needs to be dynamic. Grab a mobile depot switch your fit on the fly based on what you're up against. This goes for PvP and PvE.
Nyveris NeVonte
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-07-21 01:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyveris NeVonte
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Kalihira wrote:
Nyveris NeVonte wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Hm. How about no?


why, you afraid Paladins and Kronoses would be able to perma-tank your little gang of bee stingers?


since when do the other two marauders do that?

Ferocious 6.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dQKmODSLkE
Bastionnades https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4jQENEsbdk

decent bit of footage showing shield marauders tanking a bunch of little bees.

I think my main concern with the paladin/kronos would be hitting small ships, but that is mostly a solo problem.


How do you link videos like that? I wish to share a video I saw on Youtube called Streamer Paladin Gank! HUGE TANK!.

This video was what inspired me to come up with ideas to help increase survivability for the armor tanking Marauders when they get jumped on in WHs.
Nyveris NeVonte
Doomheim
#26 - 2015-07-21 01:18:29 UTC
Pax Deltari wrote:
Belthazor4011 wrote:
Well I am an armor boy, lets start with that.
That said why care about Marauders anyways? They're made to do lvl 4s really well and they already do that.


Wat?Shocked

Paladin, Kronos are like the only ships that can Solo C5's... Armor Mara's have less cap problems than Shield Mara's. So they're harder to counter with Neuts in PvP / PvE. Also stop fitting your maradurs with T2 Mods and fit them with faction/complex gear. Your tank goes through the roof with even C-types and they're not that expensive...

Honestly if you want to use these ships you need to understand your fitting needs to be dynamic. Grab a mobile depot switch your fit on the fly based on what you're up against. This goes for PvP and PvE.


Soloing C5's?? That can't be right. Can you post me or send me via email in game on a fit that can Solo C5s please. Also some helpful advice/tips on how to avoid ganks pretty please.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#27 - 2015-07-21 02:49:15 UTC
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Its not armor tanking that limits the kronos/paladin. Its the lack of mids for extra CB. A golem or varg COULD run dual cap boosters with XLSB. XLASB is cheaper/stronger though, in most cases anyway. The kronos/pal only have 4 mids. Meaning in most cases you get 1 CB.

Under heavy neut pressure, a single CB isnt going to cut it to allow tank/guns to run. Some of this can be side stepped with nos. But its sketchy at best. That is why pal/kronos are less viable. As if you include MJD, then you lose mid for tackle. Just a poor slot layout IMO.

However looking outside solo. A fleet of paladins could be downright fearsome with logi.

You can't use the MJD or receive any support including logistics in bastion mode. It would be pointless to activate a MWD or afterburner in bastion since you can't move. Therefore, with 4 med slots, you can fit a warp disruptor or scrambler, a web, and two large cap boosters. Bastion is what I bought a Kronos for. If I won't be using bastion, I can use another battleship that may do more damage, have more mid slots, or have other bonuses.

Even if there were enough slots for multiple propulsion modules, tackle, neutron blasters, dual cap boosters, and armor repairers, there isn't enough PG to fit it all. Something would have to be sacrificed.


positioning is very important outside of bastion. not having any prop mod at all is a bad idea.

in fleet I would think the idea would be to in general stay out of bastion, maybe have a few ships use it if ewar is an issue, and use an AAR to hopefully coast out of bastion and get logi reps.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2015-07-21 05:38:13 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Ferocious 6.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dQKmODSLkE
Bastionnades https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4jQENEsbdk

decent bit of footage showing shield marauders tanking a bunch of little bees.

I think my main concern with the paladin/kronos would be hitting small ships, but that is mostly a solo problem.

On the other hand, we have armor Hyperion, Kronos and Navy Mega (IIRC) in One Man Crew video...

Pax Deltari wrote:
Honestly if you want to use these ships you need to understand your fitting needs to be dynamic. Grab a mobile depot switch your fit on the fly based on what you're up against. This goes for PvP and PvE.

While certainly useful and having sorta synergy with marauders, when faced with such fat target people will not hesitate to reinforce depots in no time.

Nyveris NeVonte wrote:
Soloing C5's?? That can't be right. Can you post me or send me via email in game on a fit that can Solo C5s please. Also some helpful advice/tips on how to avoid ganks pretty please.

Old news are old.

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Nyveris NeVonte
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-07-21 09:23:30 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Ferocious 6.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dQKmODSLkE
Bastionnades https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4jQENEsbdk

decent bit of footage showing shield marauders tanking a bunch of little bees.

I think my main concern with the paladin/kronos would be hitting small ships, but that is mostly a solo problem.

On the other hand, we have armor Hyperion, Kronos and Navy Mega (IIRC) in One Man Crew video...

Pax Deltari wrote:
Honestly if you want to use these ships you need to understand your fitting needs to be dynamic. Grab a mobile depot switch your fit on the fly based on what you're up against. This goes for PvP and PvE.

While certainly useful and having sorta synergy with marauders, when faced with such fat target people will not hesitate to reinforce depots in no time.

Nyveris NeVonte wrote:
Soloing C5's?? That can't be right. Can you post me or send me via email in game on a fit that can Solo C5s please. Also some helpful advice/tips on how to avoid ganks pretty please.

Old news are old.


Geez, so many smart people play eve it's scary. Very nice keyboard talent you got there Barrogh. Just so you know I've already googled this information and It didn't convince me enough, So I wanted MOAR info if I can get it cause I'm greedy.
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