Player Features and Ideas Discussion

have you tried F-10?

OR: general seetings > experimental features > click the X

This new map seems to be made for/by people who don't really do a whole lot in EVE, perhaps they mine or run missions and that's it. People who actually pvp a lot and need to access the map and its info quickly & cleanly are pretty much ******, the new map sucks for it.

Given CCP's history they'll push it through, however wrong or badly optimised. So starting to yell early, before it actually happened, makes good sense.

Clearly you do not probe.

Or use it for stats:




Seriously, how can that be REMOTELY acceptable?

Trashtalk it as much as possible.

Don't want another new-overview-brackets level threadnaught, do they?

I cannot confirm any of what Joe Risalo experiences. My map is covered with a opaque layer of bookmarks so that I cannot see routes, system number information that I want to see. Scrolling was at least until recently an utter pain when I tried probing as I scroll in and out and pan around a lot and the movement inertial made all that utterly complicated and timeconsuming. I also still cannot remove certain things from the map, like JB routes, I still cannot zoom down into the planetary system depth where I can see moon orbits (not reliably at least. I noticed that I was in the planetary depth today when I opened the map, but only upon opening and only on the planet I was at. Other planets didn't work quite like that.) In theory, the zooming seemed nice but CCP's implementation with the other "features" around it made me realize that the button to switch between solar system view and universe view is the better solution after all. Saying that as someone who's wished for the zoom-switching between view for years is quite frustrating.

I now see JB routes and system connections when I am in the solar system view, something I need for what? Probing is currently not reliably possible at all as I cannot see probes in the first place, or need to dock and re-undock to see them in the map.The fact that some things, like double clicking on the probe handler does not reliable center the map on the handler, also does not exactly add to the convenience, unlike in the old map. Having to try multiple times to grab the handler to move probes is not helpful either.
Not to mention that the map does not travel with you. When I am in the solar system zoom level view, the view remains on the system I was just in before I jumped a gate. In the vast majority of the cases, when I jump a gate in the solar system view on the old map, I do that because of scanning and I do not want to have to zoom out and find the system and zoom back in, nor press a button!, to continue scanning.
That the mouse cursor always remains the mouse cursor and does not change shape depending on location (like the cross to 4-way-arrrow when you are on the grabable edge of the probes or cross to mouse cursor when you are on a warp-able/interactable object).
Then the map is constantly drawing a route on the map to a system I (usually randomly) click on. Point of that is?
Zooming in and out with tons of BM is currently also ... very unpleasant as it lags and micro-freezes the map between the view distance without BM and the distance with BM visible. The view distance without BM visible is also way too far out. And basically CCP is still not doing what I want: I do not need BM visible all the time in the universe view, regardless what zoomlevel. I need them visible in the solar system view and on the universe view when I check an option to see them. How hard is that to understand?
Seeing the actual sun in the solar system view is also nice and dandy, but it's so bright, it makes the system name unreadable and interferes with other functionalities such as scanning. And it is particularly eye whipping when you have the sun jump into your face after a laggy zoom.
That I now see the solar system view from a quite far distance when I click on a system is also ... pointless as it occludes the actual information overlay from that system if it is faint in the first place. The background stars also interfere with the readability of the map and make it harder to differentiate between actual stars of the cluster and background. In particular is that annoying and noticeable on the edges where CCP, for whatever reason, introduced a fade so that stars on the edges (as well as bm, information and so on) fade out and become completely unreadable and invisible. What kind of idiocy is that?
Region names are still way too small and unnoticeable in the new map so that it actually costs time to check what region the system you just clicked on is actually in, in particular in spots where many regions intersect each other very closely, like Querious/Delve, Dronelands, Catch/Providence/Stain, to name a few where I am active myself.

So... I do not know about clunky, but one of us is doing something wrong. One thing I know for sure: It is not me who is doing something wrong.

This all makes it a problem with the map because I have all that available in the old map or not cause problems or toggleable/useable when I want it to use via options.

agreed, the new map is the worst pile of shite. Get rid of it and leave us with the old map.

On a less cynical note, it would actually be fine if they didn't plan on replacing the old one and let us keep it, since the new one sucks and its another "feature" the community has very clearly expressed we don't want forced on us.

And no to the guy above me, bookmarks are only one of a very long list of things wrong with the new map.

It did not need to be touched as it was complete.

The new map is a far cry of the old map and lacks tons of features of the old map, as described above. The very least thing CCP should feel coerced to do is to develop the new map until it reaches the feature count of the old map.