Intergalactic Summit

God created the Foundations of everything yes, but the fact this is a work of Man corrupting the Lord's work makes it the Lord's work no longer. It has lost the original divine form by that act of perversion

One example of this is Humanity. All of Humanity was the Lord's work, and were united with Him. All but the Amarr fell from Him, and became the Lord's work, the Lord's Chosen no longer. It is Man's work in the benefit of God to reclaim Humanity to restore God's work. That is our mission.

Well-spoken, Aspirant Onzo. Surely, the faithful are emboldened in their task of Reclaim God's children, thanks the the blessing and directive of Her Imperial Majesty. Let our souls be tempered in the fires that forge the Auctoritas, and our devotion to God likewise be brazen.

Omnipotence doesn't necessarily require the exercise of that omnipotence, however. If the Amarr are right about the existence of God, then by simply virtue of omnipotence, this God fellow would have the power to not intervene and enforce his will. I know it might seem a bit odd to think of it that way, but look at it like this:

If God creates something that has the capacity for free will, then it stands to reason that free will will at some point run counter to what God might like. If God has anticipated this and accounted for it, then this action contrary to his desires - which is a different thing than his will - would still be part of 'God's Plan'.

Moreover, if, when such an act of free will corrupts God's work, God is then obligated or required in some way to correct the deviation from his will, then God is not omnipotent - he himself lacks the power to choose not to intervene. Thus, in order to be omnipotent, God must have the power to allow contravention of his intent to endure.

It's a tricky thing, being Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient. That's why rather than attempt to parse God - which would take many, many centuries and is likely something I'll be indulging my immortal conceits over, oh, the next two or three thousand years or so - I'm starting off small by examining the claim of the Emperor/Empress's infallibility. Presumably, the Imperial Head of State retains the free will gifted to all other beings under the tenets of Amarr dogma, and so can choose to give an order that runs counter to God's Will.

Her Majesty explicitly said Lord's work, not Lord's product. While I can see the strings you're threading here to try to connect the two, it just doesn't work. An example if I may.

One cannot call fat sugar. Fat is made, in its consitutional parts, from sugars. This is an over simplification of course, but it sets the example straight. Fat is still fat. Man's work, though built on the Lord's foundation, is still Man's work.

Regardless, it is the duty of us, as the followers of the faith, to understand the message of God as relayed by Her Majesty. She is infallible, so if there is confusion on the meaning of her words it is either because it was intended to be confusing so as to lay out a challenge to us to follow, or it is by a failing of us to correctly understand. regardless, in my own humble opinion, I think you're really pulling at thin strings to conect foundation with final product and call it ultimately the foundation layer's sole work.



That's actually not a bad description on free will. My own humble opinion is that free will was granted to us for purpose of testing us. We, as humans, are imperfect beings, but perhaps with time and experiance across eons, we might become closer, more perfect beings to better please God. That is not to suggest we usurp the heirarchy of course. The True Amarr are place above me, the Holders above the rest of the True Amarr, Heirs above them, Empress above the Heirs, the Angels of God above the Empress and God above all others.

The first real test of our free will was a choice. We could follow God, and at one time all humanity did. We could also walk away from God, and my Ni-Kunni and Civire ancestors did so. God willed us to remain under him, but foresaw that many of humanity would walk from him. He planned for this through the True Amarr. The Chosen. Theirs is the mission to reclaim us, and restore us all back under Him.

God has AEONS to fix our mistakes if he so needs to, but through trial across those aeons we are perhaps being tested to see if we cannot fix them ourselves. Free will is frought with mistakes and treachery, but it breeds experiance in those that follow the righteous path and rise above them.

EDIT: I realise this debate is getting widly off the OP's topic. Perhaps a new thread on the matter if all told are in agreement?

I can but try. However, it's nice when people at the very least leave with a far better understanding of us faithful and how we think.

Actually, no, I simply live in Deklein, and deal with the Guristas and the damage they do on a regular basis, so they're who came to mind.